More troops in Iraq

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

This article doesn't tell the whole story. When Hillary asked him a tough question, Rummy folded like a 4/3 against a Q.
All in or all out.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8J92EJG0.html

I hate Rumsfeld, but I think you are watching something the rest of us were watching. The video is here. He looked like his usual polished self, completely full of it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

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Interesting that two of us can watch the exact same thing and see it completely differently.
Rummy ducked. Said he has always been "positive".
Hillary opened the record for review of his previous statements, as he avoided the direct question.
The luster is off the polish.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Interesting that two of us can watch the exact same thing and see it completely differently.
Rummy ducked. Said he has always been "positive".
Hillary opened the record for review of his previous statements, as he avoided the direct question.
The luster is off the polish.

Well I think you went into it wanting to see it a certain way. The guy is very crafty, I see why the media loves him, but he is part of the real Axis of Evil. Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rove.

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Well I think you went into it wanting to see it a certain way. The guy is very crafty, I see why the media loves him, but he is part of the real Axis of Evil. Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rove.

Dang, just when I was about to agree with you, you say that I "went into it wanting to see it a certain way".
Be honest, didn't you?
And did I make a claim that you did?

Bold Ruler,
Please put out YOUR thoughts. Don't attempt to project mine. OK?

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Well I think you went into it wanting to see it a certain way. The guy is very crafty, I see why the media loves him, but he is part of the real Axis of Evil. Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rove.

FREE SCOOTER LIBBY NOW!

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

FREE SCOOTER LIBBY NOW!

And where is Abbie Hoffmann when we really need him?

Man when Senator McCain asked that General, when we first went in id he EVER consider that this might degenerate into a Civil War, and he paused what seemed an eternity and then answered with a meek, "no"... man o man. And this was the General that reported that in his opinion it could degenerate into a Civil War given the current situations.

Rummy and the boys vastly underestimated how many troops we would need. Thought the Iraqis would shower us with gifts. We could have easily had this country under control with 350,000 ground troops like that one General that got sent away stated we needed from the get go. And the send less than about 1/3. Further reinforces clearly that you need to go whole hog, or not go at all.

Israel faces the same dilemma. They have got to really do some damage on the ground with massive numbers of ground troops. And now it looks like they may have a short time frame. As long as the rockets keep reigning down on Israel I dont see how they leave without a throrough sweep of Southern Lebanon.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Man when Senator McCain asked that General, when we first went in id he EVER consider that this might degenerate into a Civil War, and he paused what seemed an eternity and then answered with a meek, "no"... man o man. And this was the General that reported that in his opinion it could degenerate into a Civil War given the current situations.

Rummy and the boys vastly underestimated how many troops we would need. Thought the Iraqis would shower us with gifts. We could have easily had this country under control with 350,000 ground troops like that one General that got sent away stated we needed from the get go. And the send less than about 1/3. Further reinforces clearly that you need to go whole hog, or not go at all.

Israel faces the same dilemma. They have got to really do some damage on the ground with massive numbers of ground troops. And now it looks like they may have a short time frame. As long as the rockets keep reigning down on Israel I dont see how they leave without a throrough sweep of Southern Lebanon.

Pgardn,
If you think there is any hope of victory in Iraq at this point, I must respectfully disagree. US military forces, despite their "good" intentions, will not prevent or decide the outcome of civil war.
Early on in this debacle, Rumsfeld was asked if this is a "quagmire".
He ducked answering that question three years ago when he had no clue of an "exit strategy". Same way he ducked Hillary's queston today, "Based on your track record, why should we believe you now?"
His answer, " My goodness! ...blah, blah blah...no answer." then a discourse about the history of wars..."the cold war lasted 40 years."

Truth be told, the civil war has been going on for quite a while now. Check it out if you read international press, not just US propaganda.

As far as Israel is concerned, they have a much smaller military than the US.
They are stretched very thinly now. They continue to create the potential for future reprisals. I'd really like for them to be successful and peaceful, but they are creating their own negative outcomes, and dragging the US (their main supporter and supplier) down with them.
Here's an article that the rest of the world has access to:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0803-02.htm

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
If you think there is any hope of victory in Iraq at this point, I must respectfully disagree. US military forces, despite their "good" intentions, will not prevent or decide the outcome of civil war.
Early on in this debacle, Rumsfeld was asked if this is a "quagmire".
He ducked answering that question three years ago when he had no clue of an "exit strategy". Same way he ducked Hillary's queston today, "Based on your track record, why should we believe you now?"
His answer, " My goodness! ...blah, blah blah...no answer." then a discourse about the history of wars..."the cold war lasted 40 years."

Truth be told, the civil war has been going on for quite a while now. Check it out if you read international press, not just US propaganda.

As far as Israel is concerned, they have a much smaller military than the US.
They are stretched very thinly now. They continue to create the potential for future reprisals. I'd really like for them to be successful and peaceful, but they are creating their own negative outcomes, and dragging the US (their main supporter and supplier) down with them.
Here's an article that the rest of the world has access to:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0803-02.htm

DTS we could easily have this country under control. But what it would take is not platable in moral terms. We could, if we wanted, make them start all over. But the number of people that would die to give us this effect would be condemned by everyone.

Israel cannot be allowed to live with a neighbor that will bomb them at will. Let us remember that Hezbollah made a calculated decision to start this. In the meeting of the Muslim nations yesterday/today, Iran's president again stated that Israel cannot be allowed to Exist. Israel could get 20,000 troops into Lebanon. That will be enough, this is a very small area compared to what we are trying to take on. But Hezbollah will eventually reinfiltrate and the problems will start again if things are not done correctly. And that is because Lebanon is no longer an independent country. I guarantee if Hezbollah had to do it all over again they would have stayed out. More and more it appears that total victory is the only way. Japan and Germany understand that.

BTW. Anyone on the board want to volunteer for the UN stabilizing force to be sent to that area? The UN force that goes in must be allowed to fight back. So that leaves out the French...