War Pass --DB ?

Danzig · #1 03-16-2008, 01:28 PM

i can't believe someone thinks they would run a horse the likes of war pass one more time because he was 'done'. what kind of logic is that? oh, he's done...le's take a shot in the tampa bay derby. oh please.
i think it was more a case of he seems fine, so let's continue with our plans. zito is a successful trainer, he knows what he's doing, and he knows the horse. he thought war pass was fine, and really no way of knowing what would happen til it did. this sunday morning training is pretty dammed laughable.

SCUDSBROTHER · #2 03-16-2008, 02:03 PM

[quote=Danzig] zito is a successful trainer, he knows what he's doing /QUOTE]

You can sell it,but after the 2005 Derby,I can't blame anyone for not buying it.He is "o.k." He is a successful trainer,but I wouldn't say he always knows what he is doing.He pretty much just threw everything against the wall that year,and none of it stuck.Didn't he think Noble Causeway was "just fine" when Bailey refused to ride him.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 03-16-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You can sell it,but after the 2005 Derby,I can't blame anyone for not buying it.He is "o.k." He is a successful trainer,but I wouldn't say he always knows what he is doing.He pretty much just threw everything against the wall that year,and none of it stuck.

Let me get this straight....

One race, the 2005 Kentucky Derby proves Zito doesn't always know what he's doing?

Zito got five horses to earn their way into the starting gate that year.

* Bellamy Road (Wood Memorial win)

* High Fly (Florida Derby win & Fountain of Youth win)

* Sun King (Tampa Derby win)

* Noble Causeway (Florida Derby 2nd place)

* Andromedia's Hero (Sam Davis win, Ark Derby 3rd place)

And because none of them hit the board "he doesn't know what he is doing" ?

SCUDSBROTHER · #4 03-16-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Let me get this straight....

One race, the 2005 Kentucky Derby proves Zito doesn't always know what he's doing?

Zito got five horses to earn their way into the starting gate that year.

* Bellamy Road (Wood Memorial win)

* High Fly (Florida Derby win & Fountain of Youth win)

* Sun King (Tampa Derby win)

* Noble Causeway (Florida Derby 2nd place)

* Andromedia's Hero (Sam Davis win, Ark Derby 3rd place)

And because none of them hit the board "he doesn't know what he is doing" ?

Let me get this straight.This trainer doesn't hit the board with 5 horses entered in the 2005 Kentucky Derby,but he knew what he was doing? Bailey refused to ride Noble Causeway,but Zito knew what he was doing? I CAN'T ARGUE WITH SOMEBODY WHO THINKS THIS PERSON KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.We will just have to agree to disagree.He is an "o.k." trainer.

SCUDSBROTHER · #5 03-16-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

By this scary logic, any trainer that hasn't won the Derby doesn't know what they are doing right?

No,it means if you can't hit the board with 5 horses in the Kentucky Derby,then you probably didn't know what the fk you were doing at the time.Your quote above is what is scary(do try to distort that much is amazing,but I don't think anyone will ever take notice.)

kentuckyrosesinmay · #6 03-16-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

And by this logic, there must have been a bunch of years in which Lukas didn't know what he was doing, for multiple horses of his were off the board in the Derby, also.

At this point, I think that it is an insult to Zito to mention Lukas and him together. I would take Zito any day of the week over him.

cmorioles · #7 03-16-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

At this point, I think that it is an insult to Zito to mention Lukas and him together. I would take Zito any day of the week over him.

As much as I like Nick Zito, and dislike DWL, his accomplishments in this game are dwarfed by Lukas.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #8 03-16-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

As much as I like Nick Zito, and dislike DWL, his accomplishments in this game are dwarfed by Lukas.

Yes, I can agree with you there. The facts can't be changed. As far as integrity, character, and honesty go, Lukas doesn't come close to Zito which is what I was referring to. Lukas's training skills are lacking as of late as well.

Travis Stone · #9 03-16-2008, 02:39 PM

This thread has spun wildly out of control.

Just because a trainer failed to hit the board in a horse race means they do not know what they're doing?

That's indeed out of control.

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 03-16-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This thread has spun wildly out of control.

Just because a trainer failed to hit the board in a horse race means they do not know what they're doing?

That's indeed out of control.

When they race 5 horses? Yes,they didn't know wtf they were doing.That's pretty obvious.At some point,people have to be measured on their judgement and performance(like with any other job.) Nobody wants to judge famous people.

SCUDSBROTHER · #11 03-16-2008, 02:52 PM

Let me get this straight.This trainer doesn't hit the board with 5 horses entered in the 2005 Kentucky Derby,but he knew what he was doing? Bailey refused to ride Noble Causeway,but Zito knew what he was doing?

By this scary logic, any trainer that hasn't won the Derby doesn't know what they are doing right?

I am gunna let this thread go now,but I will leave it with this fine distortion above.It's always gunna be a favorite of mine.

SentToStud · #12 03-16-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Does Todd Pletcher know what he is doing?

Well Jay,

If Pletcher was training this horse and Pletcher had him sick for a day or two and Pletcher ran him anyway because Pletcher knew he had to make the race to stay on the Derby Trail and if Pletcher ran the 2 yo champ and undefeated colt in this race and the horse finished last at 1-20, then Pletcher would certainly be taking heat.

Half the people here would be saying he was what is wrong with racing. And someone here, sure as hell, would be saying how Pletcher f'ked the betting public by not disclosing the horse's condition.

And you'd be among the first to muster up behind those leading that charge.

Aside from the adoration Zito gets on this message board that borders on zealous worship, he makes mistakes.

You lose badly at 1-20 with the undefeated 2 yo champ that fevered up during the week, you are going to take heat.

That's real life, son.

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 03-16-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well Bruce not exactly. No one said Zito doesn't make mistakes. Certainly not me. In your pathetic attempt to get me, you missed the arguement here. Scuds said Zito doesn't know what he is doing sometimes and only wins because of his stock. I responded that Zito picks these horses out as yearlings, so he is the one that picks out his stock. Shockingly there was no response to that.

Then he said Zito doesn't know what he is doing, because one year he had 5 in the Derby and none of the horses won. I mention pletcher had the same thing happen, again, no response. They're not machines Bruce, they have off days. War Pass had one yesterday.

That's real life, grandpa.

I am not gunna respond all afternoon to your crap.This is it...KAPUT

1)Yes,he can use LA PENTA'S money to buy derby level horses....Big deal..They outbid people.
2)If Pletcher put 5 horses in 1 derby,and none of them hit the board,then he didn't know wtf he was doing at the time.That would seem obvious.If ya want to hire trainers without measuring them by performance ,then be my guest. ..We have this KNAPP guy you would adore.

I am not reading the rest.So,I ain't ignoring you.I just ain't reading your waste anymore.Like a vet told me about a dog one time..."He is a poop machine."

hockey2315 · #14 03-16-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

1)Yes,he can use LA PENTA'S money to buy derby level horses....Big deal..They outbid people.

War Pass only costed $180K. . . LaPenta doesn't have money like the sheiks or coolmore. . . He's definitely not outbidding them

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 03-16-2008, 02:16 PM

[quote=DaHoss9698]

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Think about this sentence for a minute. How is he so successful if he doesn't always know what he is doing? Dumb luck?

Because people like you think he shits golden eggs.How can he not be successful when he gets what he gets? The guy is a good person,and has a great personality,and that will get you a long way.Lasorda was one of the worst strategic managers ever,but he could get people to go to war for a cause.