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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Oh well, I hope everyone tosses these horses with dirt breeding out just because they have been winning on synthetic.

El Gato Malo's and Colonel John's dams were both better turf horses than dirt horses.

And further, both of their sires have been very effective at siring synthetic runners.

El Gato Malo is sired by El Corredor ...who sired Domincan to an upset victory over Street Sense on the Polytrack in the Blue Grass.

Colonel John is by Tiznow....who's current other horses Bear Now, Tough Tiz's Sis, and Well Armed are all more accomplished on synthetic tracks than dirt tracks.

I love how everyone talks about EGM and CJ have "good dirt breeding" - they have two of the best synthetic sires and the dams of both were best on turf ... that's not a recipe that shouts improvement on dirt.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I love how everyone talks about EGM and CJ have "good dirt breeding" - they have two of the best synthetic sires and the dams of both were best on turf ... that's not a recipe that shouts improvement on dirt.

Good to know. I'm not really into that sort of thing once they run, but my eyes didn't tell me "dirt" when they run.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

El Gato Malo's and Colonel John's dams were both better turf horses than dirt horses.

And further, both of their sires have been very effective at siring synthetic runners.

El Gato Malo is sired by El Corredor ...who sired Domincan to an upset victory over Street Sense on the Polytrack in the Blue Grass.

Colonel John is by Tiznow....who's current other horses Bear Now, Tough Tiz's Sis, and Well Armed are all more accomplished on synthetic tracks than dirt tracks.

I love how everyone talks about EGM and CJ have "good dirt breeding" - they have two of the best synthetic sires and the dams of both were best on turf ... that's not a recipe that shouts improvement on dirt.

Tiznow has also sired horses that were perfectly capable of running on the dirt.

Folklore
Liquidity
Tiz Wonderful

Colonel John. Turkoman...the dam sire...was certainly very accomplished on the dirt as was Tiznow. I don't see anything in his pedigree or movement that would suggest that he won't take to the 10 furlongs on the dirt. I don't think this horse needs to improve much. He is very good.

El Gato Malo. El Corredor out of a Mountain Cat mare. Again don't see anything in his pedigree that would make me think that he won't take to the dirt. With the way he ran in his last, the DI doesn't really mean much to me at this point either. He'll go the 10.

El Corredor
Adieu
Wanna Runner

Georgie Boy. Has turf action, and may be a little unsound. His pedigree is the most questionable as well. He should get the 10, but I don't know if he will take to the dirt.

Into Mischief (don't know what is going on with him). He should get the 10, and take to the dirt.

Harlan's Holiday
Denis of Cork

As for Well Armed, Bear Now, and Tough Tiz's Sis, how many times have they raced off the synthetic as opposed to the dirt? I know Well Armed went to England and UAE for awhile, but don't know what he did there, if anything.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Georgie Boy. His pedigree is the most questionable as well. I don't know if he will take to the dirt.

Unlike the dam's of Colonel John and El Gato Malo, who ran their best race on turf, the dam of Georgie Boy hated the turf.

If people are looking for horses to "move up" going from synthetic to dirt based on pedigree - they should look for horses who were out of dams who didn't care for the turf - and by sires who are low percentage turf and synthetic sires.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Unlike the dam's of Colonel John and El Gato Malo, who ran their best race on turf, the dam of Georgie Boy hated the turf.

If people are looking for horses to "move up" going from synthetic to dirt based on pedigree - they should look for horses who were out of dams who didn't care for the turf - and by sires who are low percentage turf and synthetic sires.

These horses don't need to move up on the dirt. If Colonel John didn't improve at all from synthetic to dirt and stayed the same, I would still be happy with him at this point. Might change my opinion though. Still quite a few weeks until the derby.

[sumitas]

Unless we all know the condition of the horses all you are doing is speculating on an unknown.

I guess horse racing fans don't mind being kept in the dark about the athletes.