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kentuckyrosesinmay · #21 03-15-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Toss nothing unless there was an injury. The start wasn't ideal, but he was nowhere when the running started.

Agreed.

jcs11204 · #22 03-15-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan

I think Big Truck has done enough...

is that not getting old ? it seems like every post someone says that about some horse... its not only old but its corny, and a waste of a post.

The Bid · #23 03-15-2008, 05:13 PM

Watch the race Trifecta. If you do not think a confirmed front runner missing a break makes a difference then I would question how much you know.

SentToStud · #24 03-15-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Then you dont understand the game. When a horse whos a straight front runner has trouble like WP had thats whats giong to happen. Its absolutely disgusting that they didnt reset that horses head before they spring the gate

Why then didn't he just bull rush his way between the other two going into the turn? I can see the excuse for a speedball like him losing after the start but he didn't seem to show much at all in the face of adversity. Should have gone up on his own.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #25 03-15-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Watch the race Trifecta. If you do not think a confirmed front runner missing a break makes a difference then I would question how much you know.

It makes a big difference, but a lot around here were making War Pass out to be a lot better horse than he actually is...

This horse needs everything to go his own way to win, and some of his previous performances were suspect because of track conditions and a lack of a challenge early.

The Bid · #26 03-15-2008, 05:17 PM

The horse has never been in that position before. Im surprised he didnt spit it quicker than he did. All a learning experience.

Alot better than he is? Until today hes an undefeated champion whos never had a horse with in a length and a half of him at any point in time, in any race.

Everything go his way? He needs the gate to open and have his head set. He just needs a fair chance like any horse needs. Hes the most talented horse in the country and its just insane that they dont do a better job in the gate for a race like that.

ArlJim78 · #27 03-15-2008, 05:20 PM

if he can't handle that minor bump, or make any kind of a rally from third, then he's toast as far as the derby is considered.

trifecta124 · #28 03-15-2008, 05:21 PM

In a 20 horse field he better be sure he gets to the lead.

The Bid · #29 03-15-2008, 05:22 PM

I have reservations about him getting a mile and a quarter Jim, that being said he will take all the beating at CHD come Derby day. If he breaks clean hes either gonna give it up late, or gallop like he usually does.

That wasnt a minor bump, thats a major unsettled break, and being pinched back and rushed

declansharbor · #30 03-15-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Why then didn't he just bull rush his way between the other two going into the turn? I can see the excuse for a speedball like him losing after the start but he didn't seem to show much at all in the face of adversity. Should have gone up on his own.

You are right S2S. "Great" horses would have overcome something like that. If he was as good as advertised, he would have split the pacesetters entering the turn and would have dictated the pace. Unless Zito gave instructions to rate WP, to see if he could effectively stalk, there is no other excuse. WP, whose pedigree suggests the classic distances may be out of reach, faced adversity today and succumbed to it.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #31 03-15-2008, 05:23 PM

the joke will be on all da hatas..when he rolls in the kd.......

justindew · #32 03-15-2008, 05:25 PM

Again, toss the race.

SentToStud · #33 03-15-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

The horse has never been in that position before. Im surprised he didnt spit it quicker than he did. All a learning experience.

Alot better than he is? Until today hes an undefeated champion whos never had a horse with in a length and a half of him at any point in time, in any race.

Everything go his way? He needs the gate to open and have his head set. He just needs a fair chance like any horse needs. Hes the most talented horse in the country and its just insane that they dont do a better job in the gate for a race like that.

Yeah, all that, ok. But why didn't he go on as they were going into the first turn? Maybe the jock yanked him out of there but again, the loss is explained but why didn't he at least run through the first 1/4?

Maybe they planned toexperiment today anyway but I think he spit the bit with 1 Mile to run when he didn't push through those two on either side.

trifecta124 · #34 03-15-2008, 05:27 PM

If you hate him, this race gives you a reason not to bet him.

If you love him, you can toss the race.

declansharbor · #35 03-15-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

the joke will be on all da hatas..when he rolls in the kd.......

Hooves, what would you chalk the showing that he put up today as?? Why was he walking around the last turn?

I hold your opinion in high regards with the horses. How can a horse that NEEDS the lead, get an ideal setup in a 20 horse race, and overcome all adversity tied into such a race??

hoovesupsideyourhead · #36 03-15-2008, 05:29 PM

heavy lies the crown..lol

The Bid · #37 03-15-2008, 05:29 PM

Declan, if a confirmed front runner whos never been behind a horse in his life misses the break what do you think the plan is? You know you have a horse going to the Derby, would you A) Rush him up and bottom him out trying to win B) Put him between horses and let him get some education C) Just make sure he gets home safe and live to fight another day.

It has nothing to do with how good he is. He lays over that bunch anytime he breaks clean.

SentToStud · #38 03-15-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by trifecta124

If you hate him, this race gives you a reason not to bet him.

If you love him, you can toss the race.

You are exactly correct.

I neither love or hate. He's a nice horse still but they all get beat.

ddthetide · #39 03-15-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

if he can't handle that minor bump, or make any kind of a rally from third, then he's toast as far as the derby is considered.

i'm with you. he showed NO guts today at all. he'll never stand up to the bump and grind in a 20 horse field.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #40 03-15-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

The horse has never been in that position before. Im surprised he didnt spit it quicker than he did. All a learning experience.

Alot better than he is? Until today hes an undefeated champion whos never had a horse with in a length and a half of him at any point in time, in any race.

Everything go his way? He needs the gate to open and have his head set. He just needs a fair chance like any horse needs. Hes the most talented horse in the country and its just insane that they dont do a better job in the gate for a race like that.

I never thought that he was the most talented horse in the country. I certainly did think that he was better than what he showed today though.