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Old 03-08-2008, 05:52 PM
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I agree...and believe me, there will be no outcry here! I believe in free will and responsibility for one's acts. I believe that I am responsible for everything I have done in my life...good and bad...things I did as a teenager and young man as well as what I did yesterday and what I will do tomorrow; why should the church get a pass just cause they stopped torturing and killing and replaced those things with a philosophy of fear and superiority? Bush is nothing more than a continuation of the hypocracy!
Well,for one thing,whoever did those acts isn't alive.You are.I don't blame the religion for his support of torture.I blame him for ignoring Christ. I have no use for most all of the Old Testament,anyways.That's why I say I wished they would pay attention to Christ (instead of stuff he didn't even write.) You say the church has a philosophy of fear and superiority? Show me religions that don't.What are they.It ain't the big 3 or 4.Maybe BUDDHISM.This is not a thread about how great (or not) Christianity itself is.It's about hypocrisy.
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from what i read on the veto, waterboarding isn't even in use right now by the cia, or the military--both groups have banned it.

the bill he vetoed would limit the cia to the same 19 interrogation techniques the military uses. a veto does not mean the cia would suddenly allow waterboarding. i don't know what they currently use, but apparently he doesn't want the cia to lose some things it currently does allow--and right now, that does NOT include waterboarding.
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from what i read on the veto, waterboarding isn't even in use right now by the cia, or the military--both groups have banned it.

the bill he vetoed would limit the cia to the same 19 interrogation techniques the military uses. a veto does not mean the cia would suddenly allow waterboarding. i don't know what they currently use, but apparently he doesn't want the cia to lose some things it currently does allow--and right now, that does NOT include waterboarding.
"waterboarding remains in the CIA's tool kit. The technique can be used, but it requires the consent of the attorney general and president on a case-by-case basis. Bush wants to keep that option open."

So,what your saying is bullshit.They allow torture by waterboarding,but only if permission comes from hi levels.He wants the option to torture when he wants to torture.They allow waterboarding in the cia,but they need his permission.He wants the right to torture when he deems it necessary.A Christian shouldn't ever want the right to torture.He is hypocrite scum.A Methodist wants the right to torture somebody. That's a religious hypocrite. If he is signing off to torture people,then he is hardly acting Christian.All you people can get in line with the torture lover.That's not my country..that's yours.This should be a huge issue coming up in the election in November.We will see how far McCain is willing to go to distance himself from this thug activity.We are supposed to be a better country than this.That is a disgrace(to see a sitting president veto a bill outlawing torture.) We look low like dogs....base.

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"waterboarding remains in the CIA's tool kit. The technique can be used, but it requires the consent of the attorney general and president on a case-by-case basis. Bush wants to keep that option open."

So,what your saying is bullshit.They allow torture by waterboarding,but only if permission comes from hi levels.He wants the option to torture when he wants to torture.They allow waterboarding in the cia,but they need his permission.He wants the right to torture when he deems it necessary.A Christian shouldn't ever want the right to torture.He is hypocrite scum.A Methodist wants the right to torture somebody. That's a religious hypocrite. If he is signing off to torture people,then he is hardly acting Christian.
no, i put up what i read in the article about the use of waterboarding being banned. it didn't have in there about exceptions to the rule, so perhaps the article is bullshit.
i don't care if he's christian or not, i don't care what his feelings personally are on the subject. it's got nothing to do with that.
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no, i put up what i read in the article about the use of waterboarding being banned. it didn't have in there about exceptions to the rule, so perhaps the article is bullshit.
i don't care if he's christian or not, i don't care what his feelings personally are on the subject. it's got nothing to do with that.
He ran on religious values.That's allowed.Now,he has done something totally against those values.He is a hypocrite,and so are other Christians that support torture.
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Old 03-08-2008, 06:27 PM
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Well,for one thing,whoever did those acts isn't alive.You are.I don't blame the religion for his support of torture.I blame him for ignoring Christ. I have no use for most all of the Old Testament,anyways.That's why I say I wished they would pay attention to Christ (instead of stuff he didn't even write.) You say the church has a philosophy of fear and superiority? Show me religions that don't.What are they.It ain't the big 3 or 4.Maybe BUDDHISM.This is not a thread about how great (or not) Christianity itself is.It's about hypocrisy.

I've searched history for years and never found such from most pagan religions, certainly not mine..but you are correct, it's not about putting down Christianity but about the truth...historical facts! You can consider them or not, justify them or not, ignore them or not...but the historical evidence exists. I don't defend the evil of radical Islam or the abuses of Judiasm or any other faith, nor do I mention them to elevate witchcraft, I mention them because they are rooted in historical fact. Christianity is as good a path to the devine as any...but it has never been perfect, nor has it ever been the only path! Bush is everything you say, except he didn't invent hypocracy...it comes from an air of superiority...Bush is nothing more than a believer in the "one way" concept...and that makes him dangerous to those who follow other paths.
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Well,for one thing,whoever did those acts isn't alive.You are.I don't blame the religion for his support of torture.I blame him for ignoring Christ. I have no use for most all of the Old Testament,anyways.That's why I say I wished they would pay attention to Christ (instead of stuff he didn't even write.) You say the church has a philosophy of fear and superiority? Show me religions that don't.What are they.It ain't the big 3 or 4.Maybe BUDDHISM.This is not a thread about how great (or not) Christianity itself is.It's about hypocrisy.

Scuds, are you serious? First Christ didn't write anything in the bible. Various authors did. He is methodist, which means he believes in the trinity. All scripture is god-breathed and god-inspired. So Christ=God. While the god of the bible is a loving god. he is also a vengeful god. There are plenty of examples of his wrath.

Why would you discount the old testament and read only about christ, when the whole bible is about God=Christ?
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[quote=skippy3481]Scuds, are you serious? First Christ didn't write anything in the bible. Various authors did. He is methodist, which means he believes in the trinity. All scripture is god-breathed and god-inspired. So Christ=God. While the god of the bible is a loving god. he is also a vengeful god. There are plenty of examples of his wrath.

Why would you discount the old testament and read only about christ, when the whole bible is about God=Christ?[/QUOT

For the most part,the Old Testament is written by old guys in the desert who said they were inspired.It's crap. Just guys talking ****,and of course it's gunna line up perfectly with people of present day that also are looking for something that agrees with their way of thinking.The people who are attracted to the OLD TESTAMENT are people looking to force people to be a certain way that they agree with.Hateful people wrote it,and hateful people are attracted to it.For instance,homosexuality is written about in the Old Testament,but Christ never talked about it.You would certainly think if it was so important,then he would have commented about it.Nope.The people who commented about it are people who hated homosexuals (for instance,a-hole Paul in the New Testament.) If you want a positive experience,then go by what Christ said.If you want to hate gays,and like to punish people then be like most of HEE HAW Nation,and put your head into the parts of the Bible that don't have Christ's words.If you choose to think of God as vengeful,then read the parts of the Bible written by guys like yourself.That's all they were.Just guys who said they were inspired.Could be most any Nascar Driver.Let him go into the desert with some wine and write about people he doesn't like,and voila...inspired word of God.It's called Christianity,but people much prefer to read the words of people other than Christ(because it fits a- holes thinking a lot better.) Wouldn't be a very popular religion if it didn't have the angry judgemental stuff.
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and certainly christ recommended calling certain segments of the population things such as 'hee haw'. or denigrate them simply because of what area of the country they live in.
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and certainly christ recommended calling certain segments of the population things such as 'hee haw'. or denigrate them simply because of what area of the country they live in.
No he didn't recommend dat,cuz they didn't have the show yet back then.He also didn't recommend grown people make gang sign-type movements with their fingers(while uttering the words "Hook em Horns.")Don't you think when one does such things,then they are pretty much auditioning to be on the new HEE HAW SHOW? Don't you think HEE HAW would be an accurate description?What about when grown people have fake pigheads on their heads,and say "suuu eeey" ? Is that not like dat Hee Haw show?

Jesus is a cool dude.If he was here widme,I would get him some cheetos and a Dr. Pepper.He would say "thank you my son," and I'd say "this is called HEE HAW Cuisine."He would say "it's quite salty,"and I'd say "Hee Haw like it dat way, pa." Then he'd say "can I meet this man called HAW." I would then let him know dat HEE HAW has been waiting to meet him for quite some time now.
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No he didn't recommend dat,cuz they didn't have the show yet back then.He also didn't recommend grown people make gang sign-type movements with their fingers(while uttering the words "Hook em Horns.")Don't you think when one does such things,then they are pretty much auditioning to be on the new HEE HAW SHOW? Don't you think HEE HAW would be an accurate description?What about when grown people have fake pigheads on their heads,and say "suuu eeey" ? Is that not like dat Hee Haw show?

Jesus is a cool dude.If he was here widme,I would get him some cheetos and a Dr. Pepper.He would say "thank you my son," and I'd say "this is called HEE HAW Cuisine."He would say "it's quite salty,"and I'd say "Hee Haw like it dat way, pa." Then he'd say "can I meet this man called HAW." I would then let him know dat HEE HAW has been waiting to meet him for quite some time now.
interesting way to justify your intolerance. lol you bash people in this area for being intolerant, but you're the same way.
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I've tolerated them all my life.They've caused me to have an a-hole for a president for 8 years.I'm not looking to pass laws against them,but I do wish they could form their own conservative country of NASCARTONIA. They say you should dream big.That's a big dream.I don't like them.Look at what one did yesterday.Makes my country look like a bunch of dogs live here.I would say I do tolerate them.They are the ones trying to pass laws against peoples rights to do stuff.The most I've done against them is say I don't think this HEE HAW bunch should have the right to torture(and they are hypocrite Christians for wanting to torture to begin with.) I know it's a mainly conservative bunch on here,but encouraging the Pres to keep torture an option is not Kool.
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and certainly christ recommended calling certain segments of the population things such as 'hee haw'. or denigrate them simply because of what area of the country they live in.

My mom escaped from HEE HAW.My dad as well.He had da Yankee mama though.So,if it makes ya feel better,I am 3/4 HEE HAW by blood.I grew up with escaped Hee Haw relatives.My parents list a lot of places to retire at,but none of them are in the south.I tell them they could get a lot of house down there,and have a lot left over....They just look at me like I am taking a public dump.
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You can claim what you want about who is doing what,but the fact remains that the following is 100% truth.Blame the press.Blame anybody you can ,but the statement is exactly what happened.After all your word games n' exercises it's still is going to be the truth.

President George W. Bush on Saturday vetoed legislation passed by Congress that would have banned the CIA from using waterboarding and other controversial interrogation techniques.



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You can claim what you want about who is doing what,but the fact remains that the following is 100% truth.Blame the press.Blame anybody you can ,but the statement is exactly what happened.After all your word games n' exercises it's still is going to be the truth.

President George W. Bush on Saturday vetoed legislation passed by Congress that would have banned the CIA from using waterboarding and other controversial interrogation techniques.



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THEY SUB THAT OUT TO BLACKWATER..
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