Curlin in race #5 at Nad Al Sheba on Thursday!

[AeWingnut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5zhy_2U5jY

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

When has the jockey colony in the US not been bad to horse players?

I have one name...

Garrett Gomez

When has there been a subject that you know nothing about and then decided to not display your ignorance on the subject to this forum?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

^The Black Widow circling its prey...haha

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by philcski

All time greats, I'm not sure... but I've seen him run live 5 times now, and he's damn good, DAMN good- and I've never been a fan of his. .

*having bad flashbacks of you after the Preakness*

[The Bid]

Prado is the best jockey in the business. If hes on the best horse you generally are given a good shot to win

I cant stand Robby Albarado. He waits too long to ask for run, and hes always getting horses in trouble.

Gomez is a bonehead, hes just a strong finisher

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Prado is the best jockey in the business. If hes on the best horse you generally are given a good shot to win

I cant stand Robby Albarado. He waits too long to ask for run, and hes always getting horses in trouble.

Gomez is a bonehead, hes just a strong finisher

I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

agree, give me Gomez over Prado anyday. I think I would rather have Kent D as of late over both anyways, call me crazy but he has been $$$$ for me.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

Prado could have a lot more in earnings if he jumped coasts for wherever the biggest purses are everyday like Gomez does. Prado was also injured and missed the BC which makes comparing earnings in 2007 completely irrelevant. In 2006 they were seperated by less than $350,000.

[whodey17]

Curlin looked great today. Not sure of the level of competition, but he looked great.

Jockeys--amazing that some on here know about jockeys and their jobs. i had no clue that some of you were past jockeys.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

I have not participated in the KRIM bashing to this point, but you have to stop with this drivel. How does money earned make you the best jock?

Here is my example. Quite often going into the 3YO campaign, one of the leading money earners will be the winner of the fraud of a race called the Delta Jackpot. Here is the list of fantastic horse flesh that has conquered that task.

2007 Z Humor (DH) Garrett Gomez
2007 Turf War (DH) Calvin Borel
2006 Birdbirdistheword Robby Albarado
2005 no race
2004 Texcess Victor Espinoza
2003 Mr Jester Roman Chapa
2002 Outta Here Kent Desormeaux

How many of these "leading money earners" would you consider the best?

Gomez spends half of the year in California racing against kids and east coaster like Mike Smith who needed to get away from the East so they could win a few races. And those so called Grade 1 and Grade 2 races with four, five and six horse fields (this weekend excluded), do more to pad his earnings than actual ability. Funny that Gomez even pads the earnings at Delta (2007).

Gomez certainly is at the top of the jockey list, but he is certainly not in a league of his own, and money earned really has nothing to do with it.

I don't feel the need to comment on your closing statement.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I don't feel the need to comment on your closing statement.

You mean Todd Pletcher isn't the best trainer in the game? How can you argue with that? He's been training on his own for ten years now. It's clear that he's established himself as the best in the game over guys like Jerkens, Mott and Mandella who have only been around for 25 to 100 years.

I guess if you think the hottest person in the bar is the one with the most money then you also form indefensibly ignorant opinions about trainers using similar logic.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Curlin looked great today. Not sure of the level of competition, but he looked great.

Jockeys--amazing that some on here know about jockeys and their jobs. i had no clue that some of you were past jockeys.

And I thought the horse ran the race.

Excuse please if this was already posted
but I saw a replay of his tuneup race.

The thing that was interesting to note
is he looks so big. Maybe it was the camera
angle or something but the horse looks like
a flippn barrel... all lungs. Maybe he was
running against a bunch of little horses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Curlin looked great today. Not sure of the level of competition, but he looked great.

Jockeys--amazing that some on here know about jockeys and their jobs. i had no clue that some of you were past jockeys.

does that mean none of us can ever form an opinion about anything we ourselves have never done?

steve, it's been fun...but it looks like this board will be shutting down, since none of us have ever been a horse, most have never trained, been a jock, or owner, or groom....or football player, politician, water boy, writer, actor, director, etc etc.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Excuse please if this was already posted
but I saw a replay of his tuneup race.

The thing that was interesting to note
is he looks so big. Maybe it was the camera
angle or something but the horse looks like
a flippn barrel... all lungs. Maybe he was
running against a bunch of little horses.

camera adds, what, 10-15 pounds...

[GBBob]

at least he's not a cross dresser like The Green Monkey

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

h.g.h

[blackthroatedwind]

I think there is something interesting at Gulfstream Saturday concerning racing's newly anointed " greatest trainer " ( by racing's personally anointed " racing genius " ). Understatement debuted on February 7th at 6F and won impressively for trainer Todd Pletcher, who unlike previous years, has few, if any, hopefuls for the TC races. Just three weeks later Understatement is going right from that 6F race to a 1 1/8 mile race which has the feel of a Florida Derby prep for this horse.....which of course, if successful, would be a KY Derby prep for Understatement. Thus, we are now to believe that the many years of developing even a reasonable foundation for a horse was completely wrong, and that rushing one from a three quarter mile race to distance races in a mad dash to make a " big " event is actually the proper way to handle a thoroughbred.

Todd Pletcher is a very good trainer, with an incredible operation, but even if you want to completely pin this on an overzealous owner, it is a bit head scratching. How many good horses have been ruined this way? I don't know the answer....but I know that number had exponentionally increased in recent years. Coincidence?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think there is something interesting at Gulfstream Saturday concerning racing's newly anointed " greatest trainer " ( by racing's personally anointed " racing genius " ). Understatement debuted on February 7th at 6F and won impressively for trainer Todd Pletcher, who unlike previous years, has few, if any, hopefuls for the TC races. Just three weeks later Understatement is going right from that 6F race to a 1 1/8 mile race which has the feel of a Florida Derby prep for this horse.....which of course, if successful, would be a KY Derby prep for Understatement. Thus, we are now to believe that the many years of developing even a reasonable foundation for a horse was completely wrong, and that rushing one from a three quarter mile race to distance races in a mad dash to make a " big " event is actually the proper way to handle a thoroughbred.

Todd Pletcher is a very good trainer, with an incredible operation, but even if you want to completely pin this on an overzealous owner, it is a bit head scratching. How many good horses have been ruined this way? I don't know the answer....but I know that number had exponentionally increased in recent years. Coincidence?

I took a quick look at the Condition Book. I don't think there's a n1x going short until mid-March. Maybe that's a factor....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I took a quick look at the Condition Book. I don't think there's a n1x going short until mid-March. Maybe that's a factor....

No doubt, Bruce, that Gulfstream doesn't help, but there are other racetracks and, maybe I'm wrong, but I find it hard to believe this rush job is in the best interests of any horse.