California Synthetic

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

Well I think they want to replace it so they can get the crap that the Cushion Track people put down out......I wholeheartdly agree that they should give the Aussie man the job of putting in the new surface.
The CHRB webcast of the meeting they had was very informative if you get a chance watch it.

Honu....I have missed your posts too....



































well...not really

[The Bid]

Sumitas, Im sure California will take your opinion into account when deciding what surface to install. If you are okay with an all weather lets just squash this topic now

Honu, how uneven has the track been. Regards

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Sumitas, Im sure California will take your opinion into account when deciding what surface to install. If you are okay with an all weather lets just squash this topic now

Honu, how uneven has the track been. Regards

The track really feels great , has alot of bounce to it , I like it .
The only day it was uneven was that day that they stalled the races to power harrow it and I think that the trackman realized taht he is going to have to harrow more than he thought.

[sumitas]

Bid, According to bloodhorse, and I'm sure Honu's link will verify that, the majority of people at the hearing supported all weather. I guess I'm one of the many instead of one of the few obstructionists like yourself. But I admire your courage for standing in the way of an avalanche.

Originally Posted by sumitas

According to bloodhorse, and I'm sure Honu's link will verify that, the majority of people at the hearing supported all weather. I guess I'm one of the many instead of one of the few.

[The Bid]

Youre just one that doesnt know any better Sumitas, I dont personally hold it against you. You believe what you hear, as opposed to actually having any first hand experience.

I think Shapiro now wanting to "keep an open mind" towards dirt speaks volumes.

[tiggerv]

In my opinion the surface right now is unplayable as a handicapper. There is nothing consistent on how it plays day to day. I don't know if it is the weather or the maintenance or other but they can't seem to put together a consistent playing surface. Every track has moderate changes in bias but nothing as extreme as SA. Del Mar may not have been a "fair" track but at least it was consistent and betable. I am not anti-synthetic either, I am just anti-whatever crap surface is down right now.

Thank god Shapiro is willing to be open to dirt because there aren't a lot of options out there. Cushion track is obviously out. I would be shocked if they put Polytrack down after what they dealt with at Del Mar. I don't know if you can make an accurate assessment of Pro Ride based on the current surface but the current track is obviously crap if they are going to pull it out. I guess they are left with Tapeta, Pro Ride and dirt.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Youre just one that doesnt know any better Sumitas, I dont personally hold it against you. You believe what you hear, as opposed to actually having any first hand experience.

I think Shapiro now wanting to "keep an open mind" towards dirt speaks volumes.

Im sure Shapiro does , given the fact that Cushion Track screwed up and he is getting so much heat from everywhere.
You cant dispute the experiments that have been conducted with horses concerning how much impact is put on their legs on the 3 diffirent surfaces , Polytrack , Dirt and Turf if you watch the CHRB webcast you can see there is a substantial diffirence between how hard a horse hits the ground on the three. The most suprising to me and I think it will be to alot of folks when they see the video and the charts that Turf is not the kindest surface when gauging impact on a horses leg ,Polytrack is much kinder and Dirt is second.

[Danzig]

and yet a study that got all kinds of press a couple years ago found that turf was kinder to horses than dirt. so how can that have changed?