Suave

Originally Posted by Scav

Ok, then why does O'Brien waste time/money/shipping? If he comes, the horse is live, and will probably be long for what you are posting above

and if I remember Ivan's sheet from BC last year, his numbers are competitive here, I don't know what his numbers were for those last four, but as i have said, O'Brien wouldn't be doing this, if the horse wasn't live

He is doing it because he has no respect for the 3yr old turf horses in america and he shouldn't. There are only 3 good ones, and one of them is too green, and is running in the Hall of Fame. With the exception of Showing Up and Go Between, there is nothing else. Look at this garbage, only 2 or 3 of them even have a chance at the BC Turf or Mile. Even a horse like Brilliant can't run 10F.

http://www.arlingtonpark.com/racing_...ominations.pdf

If he is bringing over others for the other 2 races he might as well put Ivan in here, because clearly he can't beat anything good over there.

[Unbridled]

Originally Posted by boldruler

He is doing it because he has no respect for the 3yr old turf horses in america and he shouldn't. There are only 3 good ones, and one of them is too green, and is running in the Hall of Fame. With the exception of Showing Up and Go Between, there is nothing else. Look at this garbage, only 2 or 3 of them even have a chance at the BC Turf or Mile. Even a horse like Brilliant can't run 10F.

http://www.arlingtonpark.com/racing_...ominations.pdf

If he is bringing over others for the other 2 races he might as well put Ivan in here, because clearly he can't beat anything good over there.

Brilliant is a miler. Dont think Howard will run him in this spot. If he continiues to improve he might be pointed to the BC Mile, but that's a big IF.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Ivan Denisovich sucks....plain and simple


But he might trounce our 3-year-old weedclippers

[sumitas]

they come over here, receive their Lasix and a lot of them feel so good about it they jump up.

as for Suave, he's right in the thick of things in the handicap div. for sure.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Ivan Denisovich sucks....plain and simple


But he might trounce our 3-year-old weedclippers

I wouldn't exactly call Showing Up or Go Between weedclippers. Both are very good horses. Ivan is not.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by boldruler

I wouldn't exactly call Showing Up or Go Between weedclippers. Both are very good horses. Ivan is not.

I just meant grass runners.....wasn't insulting either horse.


While Ivan has been miserable over in Europe, he might come over here and lay it on our horses like I said previously.

There is a difference in the Euros more often than not when they come over here, and I think that difference is that we don't have very good turf runners.

The Euros don't just automatically get good when they cross the big pond.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

I just meant grass runners.....wasn't insulting either horse.


While Ivan has been miserable over in Europe, he might come over here and lay it on our horses like I said previously.

There is a difference in the Euros more often than not when they come over here, and I think that difference is that we don't have very good turf runners.

The Euros don't just automatically get good when they cross the big pond.

They have some really nice horses by Ivan just isn't one of them. I see why O'Brien would take a chance against the weak 3yr old grass horses, and I figure he is coming over for something else anyway, but Showing Up and Go Between can run, especially at 10F. Ivan has been a huge disappointment this year.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by boldruler

They have some really nice horses by Ivan just isn't one of them. I see why O'Brien would take a chance against the weak 3yr old grass horses, and I figure he is coming over for something else anyway, but Showing Up and Go Between can run, especially at 10F. Ivan has been a huge disappointment this year.

****, he is coming over for the Million.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

I just meant grass runners.....wasn't insulting either horse.


While Ivan has been miserable over in Europe, he might come over here and lay it on our horses like I said previously.

There is a difference in the Euros more often than not when they come over here, and I think that difference is that we don't have very good turf runners.

The Euros don't just automatically get good when they cross the big pond.

turfers from overseas sometimes find new life here because they probably want hard ground, which is difficult to find in europe. look at when the bc is in cali for instance, euros are hard pressed to come, the track's too hard for their liking and style.

and yeah, they crack me up about lasix....euros thumb their noses at us and accuse us of doping our horses too much, first thing off the plane, they're calling the vet!