Now does anyone still believe?...

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Betsy I don't really care how you see things to be honest. The reason I brought up Lady of venice and Scat Daddy is that they were two examples I felt of horses who ran races that looked better to most people than they did to me. I felt they were very good horses, not great as described by Joel. I went on record this Saturday as saying that Venice was a total tossout before the race.
WIth Bern I think only an idiot would not concede that hes by far the best three year old in training and that hes a very good horse. But I'm reading HOY stuff and a RIDICULOUS comparison to horses like Ghostzapper. I can't stop laughing hard enough at that.
Its not Bern's fault that Barb broke down in that race and that SNS was sore and that Bro got hurt in the gate. His fig was great. Its also not Bern's fault that there is nothing left to beat in the 3YO ranks. But lets face it, before hes worthy of HOY cinch status and Ghostzapper comparisons, hes gotta actually hook up with a real field and win. If you think that running away from Hemingway's Key(I still can't stop laughing about that) is going to be like running away from Invasor or Ghostzapper or Lava Man you have another thing coming. Horses like that arent gonna be defeated with one knockout punch move, that move will. propel you past the three year olds left standing and take you to victory, against horses like Flower Alley or Invasor they arent just gonna let you cruise by and open up. Bern has also never won a stretch duel and never been tested in a case like that.

Oh very mature, Oracle.
I'm so upset that you don't give a hoot what I think; what the heck do I care? By the way, you're a hypocrite - you called Circular Quay one of the best two year olds you've ever seen and basically went ga-ga over him, basically handing him the BC Juvy. LOL - and just who did HE beat? GMAB.

I see selective reading applies on this board; I have said over and over again that it's way too premature to call Bernardini great or to compare him to great horses, but I guess you didn't notice that. Fine - you think he's not that good? Whatever.

So much for this board being a great place for debate, getting on my case because I like a horse. It's extremely insulting to imply that I can't be unbiased because I like a horse, but I'm starting to develop a thick skin.