Help with NY Claiming Rules

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Please don't spend $20K for that horse.

Well I obviously can't since he's scratched but 3YO NW1X NYB isn't exactly the toughest group you'll run into.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Well I obviously can't since he's scratched but 3YO NW1X NYB isn't exactly the toughest group you'll run into.

Andy's opinion will be stronger but I'd say a horse like Tuffend, while he has some upside, might be hard pressed against NY bred N1X company. Please Impress did run well on Saturday but did so in wire to wire fashion on a good rail in a field that really only had two legitimate runners in it.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

In TB's there is no set rule about a horse scratched out of a claiming race. You can run back wherever you want. I worked in the standardbred business a long time ago and dont recall such a rule but it is entirely possible that could be that way.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In TB's there is no set rule about a horse scratched out of a claiming race. You can run back wherever you want. I worked in the standardbred business a long time ago and dont recall such a rule but it is entirely possible that could be that way.

I know it was in Harness racing at least at one time.

[The Bid]

Finger Lakes

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Finger Lakes

There is no rule like that at FL. Usually you have to wait 5 days before you can re enter unless the racing office hustled you to another race..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Well I obviously can't since he's scratched but 3YO NW1X NYB isn't exactly the toughest group you'll run into.

We just don't agree concerning this horse. He ran a 48 Beyer fig under optimal circumstances. Where are you going with him?

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

We just don't agree concerning this horse. He ran a 48 Beyer fig under optimal circumstances. Where are you going with him?

Here's my thoughts.

A) I think Andy B is a very smart dude but his figures don't always make sense to me. I thought Please Impress ran a big race that day and if I remember correctly his Beyer was only a 60. I don't know what he got on Saturday. Sometimes things just don't add up to me with Beyers. Take Hey Byrn's 97. Visually Impressive, more so than Pyro? Pyro earned a 90 and is favored to win the Derby, Hey Byrn runs a 97 and the Fat Man (who's perspective I enjoy until he tells me my horse is a suckup) starts talking about "Wipeouts". But the Beyer supports Hey Byrn in a thrashing? So I take the Beyers for what they are opinions.

B) He's run only 2 races. That race was a pretty good effort after 6 months on the bench.

C) They paid $81,000 for him as a yearling, so there must be something there. What is that something? He's a full to SP Solid Strike.

D) His Dam is "Solid Claim"! Are you kidding?

I was thinking for 20K it would've been worth a shot. Anyhow, I respect you tremendously and will not dive in on this animal should he appear in for a tag again. But, it'll be interesting to see where he shows up next to say the least.

[The Bid]

Sorry OTB, I was posting that after someone asked what they would do with the horse. Should have been more clear

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Sorry OTB, I was posting that after someone asked what they would do with the horse. Should have been more clear

Im sure he will end up there come april. Contessa sent a bunch up there to Donna Bireta, who did quite well with some shippers.

[phystech]

Before you make the claim, ask yourself this question - "What is your out move?"

If you think you can get out of the horse, or most of the way out, by dropping and winning if it is a bad claim, take a shot.

If you are claiming at the bottom and you've got no where to go except to eat your capital and take a complete bath if you claim a turd, don't drop the slip.

I always have an out figured before I claim a horse, assuming the horse will make it back to the track for another race.

BTW, keep in mind that claiming ain't handicapping - they are two different worlds.

[blackthroatedwind]

I absolutely agree about the numbers in general, and how they are earned, especially when you're dealing with the Aqueduct inner. However, that being said, Tuffend earned his under optimal circumstances and I would say there is a very good chance he ran his best race off the layoff.

I liked him that day, and while I got rewarded due to the DQ, overall I thought his performance was dreadful.