Kidd to Mavs

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

*sigh*

Do you think Nowitski is better than Ewing, Barkley or Malone?

Ewing, yes. Barkley and Malone, no.

I think that Ewing was a better regular season player. Offensively, they were pretty even. Ewing was a dominant defender though and that's where he gets the edge. But check out the playoff numbers. Ewing's number's don't improve. Dirk's do. I looked at the career numbers of both players. To be fair, I counted Ewing's numbers only up to the age of 34 and I didn't count Dirk's rookie season, when he only played 47 games and 20 minutes per game.

Ewing Regular Season/Playoffs
23.6 points, 10.4 boards, 2.1 assists, 2.76 blocks, 3.3 turnovers
22.5...........10.9............2.4...........2.51. ...........2.8

Nowitzki Regular Season/Playoffs
23.1 points, 8.9 boards, 2.8 assists, 1.08 blocks, 1.9 turnovers
25.2...........11.1..........2.4............1.05.. .........2.2

Ewing was great in college.
I just dont think he was that
great as a pro.

Ewing is nowhere near Malone, Hakeem,
etc... David Robinson was a heck of
a lot better than Ewing but could not win
squat until Duncan came. I dont know how
people can ever forget Moses Malone. He was
a beast. Seems to be left out of a lot of
conversations when discussing top big men.

I think Dirk will be helped out tremendously with
the addition of Kidd. Kidd will help them get past
teams like Phoenix and Golden State. As a Spurs
fan I like the trade because the only guy that
could cover Parker on Dallas might be gone.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ewing was great in college.
I just dont think he was that
great as a pro.

Ewing is nowhere near Malone, Hakeem,
etc... David Robinson was a heck of
a lot better than Ewing but could not win
squat until Duncan came. I dont know how
people can ever forget Moses Malone. He was
a beast. Seems to be left out of a lot of
conversations when discussing top big men.

I think Dirk will be helped out tremendously with
the addition of Kidd. Kidd will help them get past
teams like Phoenix and Golden State. As a Spurs
fan I like the trade because the only guy that
could cover Parker on Dallas might be gone.

I think you might have missed Ewings selection to the 50 greatest players of the NBA. He was nowhere near Malone, Hakeem, Robinson? Are you serious?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think you might have missed Ewings selection to the 50 greatest players of the NBA. He was nowhere near Malone, Hakeem, Robinson? Are you serious?

Not even close imo.
Baseline jumper.
Tough guy, good player but
way slow. Not even close...
If David Robinson had played in NY
he would have been the 2nd coming.
Duncan would now be the best of all time
if NY had won 4 titles with him.

Of course I was not allowed to vote on the top 50.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Not even close imo.
Baseline jumper.
Tough guy, good player but
way slow. Not even close...
If David Robinson had played in NY
he would have been the 2nd coming.
Duncan would now be the best of all time
if NY had won 4 titles with him.

Of course I was not allowed to vote on the top 50.

Ewing was too slow? Did you ever see him play in the NBA? Ewing was only the best defensive center of the modern era and he happened to show up and play hard every night and put in 25 and grab 12. You may favor others but to say that its not even close shows a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball.

[timmgirvan]

Not so fast,my friends! Deavon Georges' agent is holding up the deal...to be continued!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Not so fast,my friends! Deavon Georges' agent is holding up the deal...to be continued!

Somehow I think Cuban makes this work.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ewing was too slow? Did you ever see him play in the NBA? Ewing was only the best defensive center of the modern era and he happened to show up and play hard every night and put in 25 and grab 12. You may favor others but to say that its not even close shows a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball.

Ewing was not even close to Robinson as a defender.
Ewing also got injured fairly early on and it severely limited
his mobility.
Better than Malone and Hakeem as a defender. Not as good as Duncan as
a defender. No San Antonio bias of course.

ANd I really do believe he is a clear cut below
Moses Malone, Hakeem, Robinson and currently Duncan.
And yes I saw them all play multiple times.

Im dead serious. I dont think he was as good.
He goal tended as much as any center I have seen
on some horrible shots. In college and in the pros.

I do agree he was very tough and always gave
full effort. If David Robinson had done the same...
no one would forget him. Just not as talented as the
guys I mention above. Ewing playing on a team in the
midsection of the country would not have made the
top 50 imo. One has to admit that where a player
plays has a big impact on the press a player gets.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ewing was too slow? Did you ever see him play in the NBA? Ewing was only the best defensive center of the modern era and he happened to show up and play hard every night and put in 25 and grab 12. You may favor others but to say that its not even close shows a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball.

I think you are a little bit off here. When Ewing came into the league, people thought he'd be a defensive star more than offensive. It was his offense that ended up surprising people but his rebounding numbers were often criticized because they weren't where people thought they should be. He also was not even close to being the best defensive center of his era. Better than Olajuwon or Robinson or Mutombo? Seriously?

Times voted as defensive player of the year:
Ewing-0
Robinson-1
Mutombo-4
Olajuwon-2

Times on the NBA all defensive team 1st/2nd:
Ewing-0/3
Robinson 4/4
Mutombo 3/3
Olajuwon-5/4

Times in the top five in blocks per game:
Ewing-5 times (0 times led the league)
Robinson-7 (1)
Mutombo-10 (5)
Olajuwon-12 (3)

Times in the top five in rebounds per game:
Ewing-4 (0 times led the league)
Robinson-5 (1)
Mutombo-9 (2)
Olajuwon-7 (2)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think you are a little bit off here. When Ewing came into the league, people thought he'd be a defensive star more than offensive. It was his offense that ended up surprising people but his rebounding numbers were often criticized because they weren't where people thought they should be. He also was not even close to being the best defensive center of his era. Better than Olajuwon or Robinson or Mutombo? Seriously?

Times voted as defensive player of the year:
Ewing-0
Robinson-1
Mutombo-4
Olajuwon-2

Times on the NBA all defensive team 1st/2nd:
Ewing-0/3
Robinson 4/4
Mutombo 3/3
Olajuwon-5/4

Times in the top five in blocks per game:
Ewing-5 times (0 times led the league)
Robinson-7 (1)
Mutombo-10 (5)
Olajuwon-12 (3)

Times in the top five in rebounds per game:
Ewing-4 (0 times led the league)
Robinson-5 (1)
Mutombo-9 (2)
Olajuwon-7 (2)

Rebounds are not a defensive stat. Ewing was the best post defender in the NBA during his 1st 7 or 8 years. There has always been a bias against this guy for whatever reason, including the writers who vote on those awards. He was a tremendous player who was easily as good defensively as any of those other guys. Olajuwan was more athletic but took lots of plays off. Mutombo was just long. He could never get further than 8 feet away from the basket without being a liability. Robinson was a great player and a nice guy but if you watched the NBA during the late 80's and early 90's and thought that he was a better all around defender than Ewing, you just didnt watch enough. There is more to defense at the center position than simple shots blocked.