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Old 02-01-2008, 09:51 AM
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he will huh..my opinion is pretty good ..you on the other hand wager away on this horse..lets look at brass hats positives/negitives

positives..most of this field is bad..

now the bad news


hes the oldest horse in the race
he s got horses with more speed inside and out
he hasent put 2 100 plus figs together sence feb 06
his jock is average..
should i keep going......

Yes you should. Your reasoning is beyond stupid. Oldest horse? Thats a good one. Speed inside and out? He's a closer....who cares. The figs thing is meaningless. Jock? Martinez has ridden him his whole career. You are putting way too much emphassis on the jockey here. It's not like he hasnt won on him.

Yes..please keep going....is rather hysterical. Who do you like here?
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:56 AM
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Yes you should. Your reasoning is beyond stupid. Oldest horse? Thats a good one. Speed inside and out? He's a closer....who cares. The figs thing is meaningless. Jock? Martinez has ridden him his whole career. You are putting way too much emphassis on the jockey here. It's not like he hasnt won on him.

Yes..please keep going....is rather hysterical. Who do you like here?
In Hooves we trust.

You, on the other hand, please kindly pay when services are rendred.
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:59 AM
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In Hooves we trust.

You, on the other hand, please kindly pay when services are rendred.


His reasoning is frightening. I think Britney Spears stole his login and is posting under his name. Scary stuff.
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:26 AM
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His reasoning is frightening. I think Britney Spears stole his login and is posting under his name. Scary stuff.
I've learned a lot from this thread whether it's been Hooves, Andy or anyone else. I'm glad to be associated with folks that have so much knowledge of the game. I can honestly tell you that out of everyone on here, Hooves, Andy and Steve have helped me the most. In the end we all have to make our own decisions. I'm not sure if you were looking much at Hooves' Keeneland picks last spring, but the guy was hotter than a pistol. He was handing out 10-1 and higher bombs almost on a daily basis.
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:38 AM
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I've learned a lot from this thread whether it's been Hooves, Andy or anyone else. I'm glad to be associated with folks that have so much knowledge of the game. I can honestly tell you that out of everyone on here, Hooves, Andy and Steve have helped me the most. In the end we all have to make our own decisions. I'm not sure if you were looking much at Hooves' Keeneland picks last spring, but the guy was hotter than a pistol. He was handing out 10-1 and higher bombs almost on a daily basis.

He might be brilliant.


But in this case his reasoning is borderline retarded.
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:30 AM
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He might be brilliant.


But in this case his reasoning is borderline retarded.
Why the strong language, Boo Boo? It ain't all that.

If you like Brass Hat, you really have to think that he, along with Fairbanks and AP Arrow are the other top ones to beat here. And really, who have any of those beaten, other than themselves?

AP did win the Clark but had a pretty soft trip and just beat BH. He was a bust at Hawthorne at a short number and was life and death to beat Rehoboth at 1/2 at Gulf last year. Frankly, his best race, imo, is his 3rd against Corinthian. He has some shot, I guess, but at 5/1 or so, I'd never use him on top.

Fairbanks looks 6/1 - 7/1 but really, how is he going to win? Against graded horses, he's needed the front and he's not going to get it. He's going to press/pass Daaher and have enough late? No way. For me, he's a top 2 toss/ marginal top 3 toss.

Brass Hat IS older. It does make a difference. He won the Mass off a perfect trip and did the same in his comeback win last year. In both he was closer than he will be in the Donn. The same is true of his Clark. He's going to be in the last 3 early in this race for certain and probably dead last. That is, of course, unless Willie gives him the semi-standard 3w/4w+ around the first turn ride he's given him numerous times.

I don't think he's good enough to overcome a poor trip and I don't think he's likely to close good enough to beat finish in front of both AP and Spring at Last who are both going to have nicer trips and first run from the second flight.

The only way Brass Hat wins is if Einstein and Daaher are both uncontrollable on the front, AP Arrow and Spring at Last are compromised by being too close and Willie saves big ground. It truly has to totally fall apart for Brass Hat to win.

I figure BH will be 5-1/6-1 and his chances of winning are more like 15-1.

I think the 1,3 and 7 are too cheap here and I do not give Einstein much of a shot.

Daaher can obviously win and if you like him, he'll probably be a worthwhile bet simply because Einstein will take far more $$ than he's worth. In fact, Einstein in the Donn alone makes it worth wagering on the race. Daaher looks to me like he'll be within a tick of 7/5.

The horse that could get lost on the board is Spring at LAst. I think he and Daaher and perhaps AP Arrow are the only contenders certain to get the trip they want. I think Spring can rate enough and if he goes off over 4/1, that will be a win play for me. I'll also use him over/under with Daaher and over AP Arrow in the ex.
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Old 02-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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The horse that could get lost on the board is Spring at LAst. I think he and Daaher and perhaps AP Arrow are the only contenders certain to get the trip they want. I think Spring can rate enough and if he goes off over 4/1, that will be a win play for me. I'll also use him over/under with Daaher and over AP Arrow in the ex.

good call Bruce
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Old 02-02-2008, 04:54 PM
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Daaher can obviously win and if you like him, he'll probably be a worthwhile bet simply because Einstein will take far more $$ than he's worth. In fact, Einstein in the Donn alone makes it worth wagering on the race. Daaher looks to me like he'll be within a tick of 7/5.

The horse that could get lost on the board is Spring at LAst. I think he and Daaher and perhaps AP Arrow are the only contenders certain to get the trip they want. I think Spring can rate enough and if he goes off over 4/1, that will be a win play for me. I'll also use him over/under with Daaher and over AP Arrow in the ex.
Thats 14.00

Excellent job.

And the exacta...37.60
Damn.
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Old 02-01-2008, 12:24 PM
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With much apology for those who will be betting against him, but for the sake of the older male division I hope Dahaar dusts this group because the older male division is in desperate need of a true Grade 1 horse outside of Curlin.
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:01 AM
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Yes you should. Your reasoning is beyond stupid. Oldest horse? Thats a good one. Speed inside and out? He's a closer....who cares. The figs thing is meaningless. Jock? Martinez has ridden him his whole career. You are putting way too much emphassis on the jockey here. It's not like he hasnt won on him.

Yes..please keep going....is rather hysterical. Who do you like here?
whatever..load up on brass hat.. your hopeless....
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:03 AM
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whatever..load up on brass hat.. your hopeless....
So who do you like genius ?
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:29 AM
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So who do you like genius ?
not brass hat....love the brit spears comment...

figs mean nothing

jocks dont matter at all

age dont matter..lol

you cant close if you cant run....
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:37 AM
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not brass hat....love the brit spears comment...

figs mean nothing

jocks dont matter at all

age dont matter..lol

you cant close if you cant run....

Your running two figs comment is a stretch. In this case the jock doesnt matter. It's not like it's a new jockey....or that Diane Nelson is now riding the horse. These are older horses...not sure why him being 7 matters.

For a guy who some people say has a good opinion, you sure are not coming off as a bright guy.

So are you gonna tell me who you like Britney?

Probably Daaher....I guess you are a chalk eating weasel.
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:44 AM
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Your running two figs comment is a stretch. In this case the jock doesnt matter. It's not like it's a new jockey....or that Diane Nelson is now riding the horse. These are older horses...not sure why him being 7 matters.

For a guy who some people say has a good opinion, you sure are not coming off as a bright guy.

So are you gonna tell me who you like Britney?

Probably Daaher....I guess you are a chalk eating weasel.
he is the most obv choice but if i had to pick an upsetter it would be the 5/1 .but please pound brass hat..and have a great day..willies not riding at tampa bay for no reason..fyi..and your personal attacks are very funny.. just load up on brass hat..we can revisit this after the race..smart guy
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Old 02-02-2008, 04:34 PM
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WELL BIG GUY WHAT DID BRASS HAT PAY?...

I had a feeling this post was coming. LOL
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:00 AM
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[quote=stonegossard]Your running two figs comment is a stretch. In this case the jock doesnt matter. It's not like it's a new jockey....or that Diane Nelson is now riding the horse. These are older horses...not sure why him being 7 matters.

For a guy who some people say has a good opinion, you sure are not coming off as a bright guy.

So are you gonna tell me who you like Britney?

Probably Daaher....I guess you are a chalk eating weasel.[/QUOTE]

Ouch.
That he is not.
Stone..you are moody today man.
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