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02-01-2008, 09:05 AM
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positives..most of this field is bad.. now the bad news hes the oldest horse in the race he s got horses with more speed inside and out he hasent put 2 100 plus figs together sence feb 06 his jock is average.. should i keep going...... WHAT DID BRASS HAT PAY?............ Last edited by hoovesupsideyourhead : 02-02-2008 at 04:29 PM. 
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02-01-2008, 09:16 AM
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If hooves has such a bad opinion then why did he cash a $50,000+ Pick 6?
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02-01-2008, 09:31 AM
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02-01-2008, 09:54 AM
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As far as cashing a pick 6? Surely you are not implying that if someone at some point hits a pick 6 then they always have a good opinion. I know some very bad cappers who have gotten lucky and hit the pick 6.
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02-01-2008, 10:06 AM
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Outside of Fairbanks' last two races, his previous three races will beat anyone in this field...unless A.P. Arrow repeats or improves off the Clark performance.
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02-01-2008, 10:18 AM
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I think Fairbanks has to be sent. His best races have all been gate to wire. The race he won at GP last year he was in some traffic and was forced back. Ever since then he has been gunned to the lead. I am not sure Johnny V can take him back without choking him into submission. His race at Suffolk he was up on a slow apce...and still was handled easily by BH. His figures in his previous 3 are good....but they arent great races....his Tokyo City race figure seems out of whack as they crawled early. I think he is a complete toss based on he isnt gonna outrun Daaher...and I cant see him rating with any success. Plus his race in The Clark was brutal.
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02-01-2008, 04:59 PM
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I'm not sure its fair to criticize O'Neill for the "shipping factor". The one horse that comes to mind of his that had trouble shipping is Lava Man but I always wondered if racing w/out race day Bute was the factor with him.
BTW, Spring at Last won in Dubai which is a helluva lot longer ship and tougher medication rules. SaL should sit the perfect trip. Not sure what the price will be because there's 4 absolutely no chance types who figure to take very little betting $ (the 3 grassers and Dr. Googles).
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02-01-2008, 10:44 PM
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In the Swale I think the morning line odds are nutty. Wincat has no business being 9/5 off a maiden win at Philly Park even though his trainer Kieran McLaughlin is a sharpie. Coal Play at 5/2 is using this as a prep for the FOY or perhaps a race at Fair Grounds or Oaklawn. He's not a sprinter.
Wayne Lucas has an interesting horse, Silver Edition who has run well in all three of his races less than a mile. I think he is the horse to beat in this race. But I don't like betting Wayne Lucas' horses at short odds. Eaton's Gift might like the return to a one turn sprint. He ran a pretty darn good race at Hollywood Park in the Hollywood Futurity. His sprint races where impressive and if you look at his debut race you'll see he raced against horses who came back to win in their next starts including Kodiak Cowboy who won the Bashford Manor and Saratoga Special. Being a colt by Johannesburg his game should be one turn sprints and if he's between 4 and 6 to 1 you have to put a few bucks on his nose. I like Eaton's Gift to win with Silver Edition finishing second.
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02-01-2008, 12:34 PM
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02-01-2008, 12:52 PM
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02-01-2008, 02:50 PM
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02-01-2008, 09:51 AM
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Yes you should. Your reasoning is beyond stupid. Oldest horse? Thats a good one. Speed inside and out? He's a closer....who cares. The figs thing is meaningless. Jock? Martinez has ridden him his whole career. You are putting way too much emphassis on the jockey here. It's not like he hasnt won on him. Yes..please keep going....is rather hysterical. Who do you like here?
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02-01-2008, 09:56 AM
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You, on the other hand, please kindly pay when services are rendred.
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02-01-2008, 09:59 AM
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His reasoning is frightening. I think Britney Spears stole his login and is posting under his name. Scary stuff.
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02-01-2008, 10:26 AM
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02-01-2008, 10:38 AM
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He might be brilliant. But in this case his reasoning is borderline retarded.
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02-01-2008, 11:30 AM
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If you like Brass Hat, you really have to think that he, along with Fairbanks and AP Arrow are the other top ones to beat here. And really, who have any of those beaten, other than themselves? AP did win the Clark but had a pretty soft trip and just beat BH. He was a bust at Hawthorne at a short number and was life and death to beat Rehoboth at 1/2 at Gulf last year. Frankly, his best race, imo, is his 3rd against Corinthian. He has some shot, I guess, but at 5/1 or so, I'd never use him on top. Fairbanks looks 6/1 - 7/1 but really, how is he going to win? Against graded horses, he's needed the front and he's not going to get it. He's going to press/pass Daaher and have enough late? No way. For me, he's a top 2 toss/ marginal top 3 toss. Brass Hat IS older. It does make a difference. He won the Mass off a perfect trip and did the same in his comeback win last year. In both he was closer than he will be in the Donn. The same is true of his Clark. He's going to be in the last 3 early in this race for certain and probably dead last. That is, of course, unless Willie gives him the semi-standard 3w/4w+ around the first turn ride he's given him numerous times. I don't think he's good enough to overcome a poor trip and I don't think he's likely to close good enough to beat finish in front of both AP and Spring at Last who are both going to have nicer trips and first run from the second flight. The only way Brass Hat wins is if Einstein and Daaher are both uncontrollable on the front, AP Arrow and Spring at Last are compromised by being too close and Willie saves big ground. It truly has to totally fall apart for Brass Hat to win. I figure BH will be 5-1/6-1 and his chances of winning are more like 15-1. I think the 1,3 and 7 are too cheap here and I do not give Einstein much of a shot. Daaher can obviously win and if you like him, he'll probably be a worthwhile bet simply because Einstein will take far more $$ than he's worth. In fact, Einstein in the Donn alone makes it worth wagering on the race. Daaher looks to me like he'll be within a tick of 7/5. The horse that could get lost on the board is Spring at LAst. I think he and Daaher and perhaps AP Arrow are the only contenders certain to get the trip they want. I think Spring can rate enough and if he goes off over 4/1, that will be a win play for me. I'll also use him over/under with Daaher and over AP Arrow in the ex.
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02-01-2008, 12:24 PM
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With much apology for those who will be betting against him, but for the sake of the older male division I hope Dahaar dusts this group because the older male division is in desperate need of a true Grade 1 horse outside of Curlin.
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02-01-2008, 10:01 AM
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02-01-2008, 10:03 AM
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