O/U: how many times

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Well that's boring. Are you in Chess Club?

Funny...

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Funny...

So who is your candidate? Let me guess...


Ron Paul.



LOL

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Yes. I like Ron Paul's ideas on paper, especially when it comes to economics. He has some of the biggest names in economics backing him. My main concern is this country's financial state, and he seems to be the only one up there who knows what they're talking about. Plus, he'll bring the troops home from an unjust war.

The rest of the Republicans might as well be Democrats. At least the Dems are talking about bringing the troops home, but socialism just doesn't set well with me.

Mainly, I would be happy at this point if McCain and Clinton were kept out of office because I know that Ron Paul won't get elected.

And I know what the MSM calls most Ron Paul supporters. It's sad that people actually believe them. Of course, with any candidate you have your nut jobs...

Luckily, I don't really care what everyone else has to say about Ron Paul supporters...

Who do you support? <smirks>

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yes. I like Ron Paul's ideas on paper, especially when it comes to economics. He has some of the biggest names in economics backing him. My main concern is this country's financial state, and he seems to be the only one up there who knows what they're talking about. Plus, he'll bring the troops home from an unjust war.

The rest of the Republicans might as well be Democrats. At least the Dems are talking about bringing the troops home, but socialism just doesn't set well with me.

Mainly, I would be happy at this point if McCain and Clinton were kept out of office because I know that Ron Paul won't get elected.

And I know what the MSM calls most Ron Paul supporters. It's sad that people actually believe them. Of course, with any candidate you have your nut jobs...

Luckily, I don't really care what everyone else has to say about Ron Paul supporters...

Who do you support? <smirks>

The republican nominee since I'm in a state that isn't part of Super Tuesday.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yes. I like Ron Paul's ideas on paper, especially when it comes to economics. He has some of the biggest names in economics backing him. My main concern is this country's financial state, and he seems to be the only one up there who knows what they're talking about. Plus, he'll bring the troops home from an unjust war.

The rest of the Republicans might as well be Democrats. At least the Dems are talking about bringing the troops home, but socialism just doesn't set well with me.

Mainly, I would be happy at this point if McCain and Clinton were kept out of office because I know that Ron Paul won't get elected.

And I know what the MSM calls most Ron Paul supporters. It's sad that people actually believe them. Of course, with any candidate you have your nut jobs...

Luckily, I don't really care what everyone else has to say about Ron Paul supporters...

Who do you support? <smirks>

Hey,Americans were dumb enough to vote for Bush twice.As a whole,the people in the Nascar loving states are pretty dumb.That's enough to blow it for the rest of the country.Ron Paul has as much chance of getting elected as Sara Lee.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Hey,Americans were dumb enough to vote for Bush twice.As a whole,the people in the Nascar loving states are pretty dumb.That's enough to blow it for the rest of the country.Ron Paul has as much chance of getting elected as Sara Lee.

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

Originally Posted by GBBob

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

The legacy will be an example
of a president trying to make his
branch of government stronger.
In brute force manner.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The legacy will be an example
of a president trying to make his
branch of government stronger.
In brute force manner.

pg...i get/agree w/ that...but w/out 9/11..

what would he have done?

as much as I dislike him, I truly believe he would never wish that on anyone

but..what would he have done without it?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GBBob

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

Don't you remember,man? Liar got elected because he claimed he was a uniter(not a divider.)Said he was the compassionate conservative.People bought that load.Soon as he got in he went to cutting taxes for the richest.Now,McCain is having to lie (in the opposite direction.)Bush was much more conservative(and way too stubborn to unite anything) than he portrayed himself,and McCain is much less conservative than he is portraying himself. Conservatives won the last lie,and moderates are gunna win with this lie.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Don't you remember,man? Liar got elected because he claimed he was a uniter(not a divider.)Said he was the compassionate conservative.People bought that load.Soon as he got in he went to cutting taxes for the richest.Now,McCain is having to lie (in the opposite direction.)Bush was much more conservative(and way too stubborn to unite anything) than he portrayed himself,and McCain is much less conservative than he is portraying himself. Conservatives won the last lie,and moderates are gunna win with this lie.

yeah..."Uniter", Compassionate Conservative"..of course...how can I forget. Took so much shite for not liking him

funny...not sure what is more important..who I'm voting for, or how scared that I might lose. Fear drove me the last 12 years..50/50 record...Thankful that if Barack ( hopefule nominee) loses, then McCain won't be a disaster

who the hell would be his VP??
never thought about that

Originally Posted by GBBob

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

The platform was the "I hate the lying
Democrat that got his frog sucked by
his aide in the Oval office and was
able to lie in front of
the whole nation while looking straight
at the camera"

Think that about did it.

9/11 did change Bush's entire view of
the world. He also brought the Nation
the "no child left behind" which has been
pretty much a disaster. Not a bad idea
in theory.

Bush was extremely naive in putting all
his cronies into positions that actually
required competence. Lots of presidents
do this with minor positions, like ambassadors.
Bush did it with important positions.

Dick Cheney has had a huge effect on the
presidency. Probably will go down as one of
the most powerful VP's ever.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The platform was the "I hate the lying
Democrat that got his frog sucked by
his aide in the Oval office and was
able to lie in front of
the whole nation while looking straight
at the camera"

Think that about did it.

9/11 did change Bush's entire view of
the world. He also brought the Nation
the "no child left behind" which has been
pretty much a disaster. Not a bad idea
in theory.

Bush was extremely naive in putting all
his cronies into positions that actually
required competence. Lots of presidents
do this with minor positions, like ambassadors.
Bush did it with important positions.

Dick Cheney has had a huge effect on the
presidency. Probably will go down as one of
the most powerful VP's ever.

Really?

you don't think that was just the fight he was looking for?

*Disclaimer: GW did not want us to be attacked

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Hey,Americans were dumb enough to vote for Bush twice.As a whole,the people in the Nascar loving states are pretty dumb.That's enough to blow it for the rest of the country.Ron Paul has as much chance of getting elected as Sara Lee.

Two presidents come to mind.

Both from the advanced state of
california. Richard Millhose Nixon and
Ronald Reagan. Take pride Scuds.

BTW. The most liberal candidate still in
the race is from South Carolina. You know, the State
with the Confederate flag...

So much for broad generalizations.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Two presidents come to mind.

Both from the advanced state of
california. Richard Millhose Nixon and
Ronald Reagan. Take pride Scuds.

BTW. The most liberal candidate still in
the race is from South Carolina. You know, the State
with the Confederate flag...

So much for broad generalizations.

I said as a whole.You live in a state where the majority are dumb.Maybe the other 49% aren't dumb,but you're outnumbered.Compared to Reagan,GEEDUBBYA has the brain of a dog.Nixon wasn't dumb,but he was mentally ill(paranoid son bitch.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I said as a whole.You live in a state where the majority are dumb.Maybe the other 49% aren't dumb,but you're outnumbered.Compared to Reagan,GEEDUBBYA has the brain of a dog.Nixon wasn't dumb,but he was mentally ill(paranoid son bitch.)

No comment.
This is dumb.

From my small sample size:

I got two kids from California at
the semester break in Physics.
They got taught next to nothing
and are way behind. Good kids,
good families. But they dont know
Physics at all.

So I guess Californian's are dumb.
Or just uneducated. WTF are you
guys teaching your kids besides next
to nothing?

The city I live in on the whole is uneducated
because it is poor. If you have not figured out
the relationship between socio-economic status
and education... I dont know what to tell you.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I wish the following states(and portions of states) would unite to form their own conservative country of "NASCARTONIA." Just let them go(like that Iglesias guy finally did with that mole he had.)Gotta be a way to make that happen.

TEXAS,OKLAHOMA,ARKANSAS,LOUISIANA,MISSISS.,BAMA,.. ......both Carolinas,Georgia,Tenn.,and Northern Florida.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yes. I like Ron Paul's ideas on paper, especially when it comes to economics. He has some of the biggest names in economics backing him. My main concern is this country's financial state, and he seems to be the only one up there who knows what they're talking about. Plus, he'll bring the troops home from an unjust war.

The rest of the Republicans might as well be Democrats. At least the Dems are talking about bringing the troops home, but socialism just doesn't set well with me.

Mainly, I would be happy at this point if McCain and Clinton were kept out of office because I know that Ron Paul won't get elected.

And I know what the MSM calls most Ron Paul supporters. It's sad that people actually believe them. Of course, with any candidate you have your nut jobs...

Luckily, I don't really care what everyone else has to say about Ron Paul supporters...

Who do you support? <smirks>

Ron Paul.
The guy who on National Television about
a month ago said that Abe Lincoln screwed up
the country with the Civil War. Stated that slavery
would have ended eventually on its own.

If Ron Paul had his way, the US would be split into
North and South, independent of each other. And
private companies would supply all law enforcement.
Dig a little deeper and you find the guy is a nut.
I have been following this guy's antics since the early
80's since my Gov. professor pointed him out as an example
of how anyone could gain political office if
enough people were dropped on their heads
right after they were born. A ref. to his profession.

But then again, Adolph Hitler moved an entire
group of people under the proper conditions.
Ron Paul scares the crud out of me.

I hope you only like the ideas on paper.
No offense meant.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ron Paul.
The guy who on National Television about
a month ago said that Abe Lincoln screwed up
the country with the Civil War. Stated that slavery
would have ended eventually on its own.

If Ron Paul had his way, the US would be split into
North and South, independent of each other. And
private companies would supply all law enforcement.
Dig a little deeper and you find the guy is a nut.
I have been following this guy's antics since the early
80's since my Gov. professor pointed him out as an example
of how anyone could gain political office if
enough people were dropped on their heads
right after they were born. A ref. to his profession.

But then again, Adolph Hitler moved an entire
group of people under the proper conditions.
Ron Paul scares the crud out of me.

I hope you only like the ideas on paper.
No offense meant.

Ron Paul is a joke. I am a Republican but if Ron Paul got the nomination I would have to vote for Hillary. Ron Paul was on the Tonight Show a few weeks ago. He said that the US is partially to blame for 9/11 because of our foreign policy. I nearly fell out of my chair.
But when you consider some of the things he has said in the past, it's really not that surprising. He is amazingly dishonest. As you are aware, he said a ton of outlandish things in his newsletter and now he has the nerve to say that he didn't know what was in his own newsletter and didn't write it. How could he think that people would be dumb enough to believe that he didn't know or approve what was in his own newsletter? In his newsletter, he speculated that the Mossad may have been behind the first attack on the World Trade Center. He would actaully be better off if he claimed that his views have changed, rather than deny that he knew what was in his newsletter. It would be more believable for him to simply say that he has changed his mind about some of the things that he said in the past.

Anyway, I don't need to tell you about Ron Paul. I know that you live in Texas and know all about him. And I have always respected your opinion because you are not a partisan. I actually do agree with Ron Paul on some issues, but he is so far out there on some things that I couldn't vote for him if he was the last guy on earth.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ron Paul.
The guy who on National Television about
a month ago said that Abe Lincoln screwed up
the country with the Civil War. Stated that slavery
would have ended eventually on its own.

If Ron Paul had his way, the US would be split into
North and South, independent of each other. And
private companies would supply all law enforcement.
Dig a little deeper and you find the guy is a nut.
I have been following this guy's antics since the early
80's since my Gov. professor pointed him out as an example
of how anyone could gain political office if
enough people were dropped on their heads
right after they were born. A ref. to his profession.

But then again, Adolph Hitler moved an entire
group of people under the proper conditions.
Ron Paul scares the crud out of me.

I hope you only like the ideas on paper.
No offense meant.

You argue in a respectable manner, so no offense is taken. Aren't you one of the ones that is a college professor or very educated in math/physics or something like that?

In no means would I ever suggest that Ron Paul is my ideal candidate. On the contrary, and I will explain. And you have nothing to worry about because he won't be elected. I do think you misunderstand him a little bit, and I probably misunderstand him on some issues as well.

READ THIS ENTIRE PARAGRAPH. You missed the point that Ron Paul was trying to make about the Civil War. He didn't state that slavery would have ended on its own to my knowledge, and if he did will you please post a link to a direct quote? From my knowledge and research on this topic, Ron Paul simply stated that Lincoln could have found a lot better way to free the slaves than to start a Civil War. In theory, he is right. None of the other countries went to wars over slaves. The government just simply bought all of the slaves. Why couldn't the United States have done the same thing? I can answer this...it is cited in several documents that Lincoln actually did try to free the slaves by buying them, but it did not work. Now, whether these documents are actually true or not, I do not know. So I believe that Ron Paul could possibly be misinformed about that. However, as for the North and South being split, I have no idea where that idea stems from. I don't think those are Paul's intentions at all. I have never heard the argument like that before, and I would like you to explain that stance in more detail so that I can understand.

I would say that our current administration is more along the lines of Adolf Hitler than I would ever compare those who want to give us back our civil liberties like Paul, Howard, Kuninch...etc. Have you read the recent bill that Ron Paul proposed? Here is a link to it....you might find it interesting. It is far from Hitler. What I find most interesting among many things is Section 8. Does this mean that the government really is censoring the media? Remember, Ron Paul is more informed on these issues than we are. Alot of things go on behind closed doors in the government than we are aware of...

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3835ih.txt.pdf

We are about to go into a recession! I truly believe that he is the only one besides possibly Clinton that can get us out. We have got to pull out of the war, and not go to anymore wars. We don't even have a democracy here in the U.S. anymore. The system of checks and balances is breaking/has broken down in our government. Yet, we are trying to establish democracy in other countries (of course, this is a lie...i.e. oil). The top economists in the country are backing Ron Paul. If McCain is the Republican nominee, I will be voting for the Dems because McCain is a crazy war-hungry idiot. He is worse than Bush! Yet, Americans are failing to realize this, and they must want Bush x 2 all over again. If he is president, we will go to war with Iran. We will stay in Iraq. And I can't understand the fact that some people will only vote for their party no matter what. Close-minded poor souls. Now I see why people from other countries call us stupid.

Even Clinton is better than McCain, and I can't stand the thought of socialized medicine. I would normally vote Republican, but their ideas are too far off. They're neocons, which is the combined worst ideals of the Repub and Dem parties IMO.

This isn't about Ron Paul in the end. It is about Americans being very unhappy with the government. It is about the fact that Bush should be impeached. Clinton gets his dick sucked and lies to the public about it, and gets impeached. Bush lies hundreds of times, kills American soldiers under false pretenses, and kills thousands of Iraqis. WE WERE LIED TO over and over and over again. The extent and end results of these lies are yet to fully be understood, and he hasn't been impeached. I see a HUGE problem with this. Our ethics and morals are messed up. More and more people are starting to become aware of this, and a movement is beginning. Paul, Howard, and Kuninch just lit the fire.

Just for the record, I do not believe in some of Ron Paul's ideas on being a strict Constitutionalist. For instance, he wants to leave it up to the states to make up abortion laws and drug laws. I think that hard drugs like cocaine should absolutely not be allowed. The federal government does need to regulate that. However, I think the states should be given the power to decide on whether or not the state's citizens are allowed to use marijuana. People who are terminally ill are going to jail for using medicinal marijuana. I don't think that is right. If you are dying, you should be able to legally use it. In fact, I think alcohol is just as bad as marijuana if not worse. Changing times call for changes in the Constitution. Like I said, it isn't about Ron Paul. It is about freedom, and of us having a say again. Our government needs to drastically change. Luckily, many Americans are starting to come out of the trance and wake up, including, just recently, myself.

Also, Ron Paul falls closest to my ideals than any other candidate. Note that I said closest, and they are still far from my ideals. I just think that we have some horrible candidates running for president, and he is by far the worst of the evils for me.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You argue in a respectable manner, so no offense is taken. Aren't you one of the ones that is a college professor or very educated in math/physics or something like that?

In no means would I ever suggest that Ron Paul is my ideal candidate. On the contrary, and I will explain. And you have nothing to worry about because he won't be elected. I do think you misunderstand him a little bit, and I probably misunderstand him on some issues as well.

READ THIS ENTIRE PARAGRAPH. You missed the point that Ron Paul was trying to make about the Civil War. He didn't state that slavery would have ended on its own to my knowledge, and if he did will you please post a link to a direct quote? From my knowledge and research on this topic, Ron Paul simply stated that Lincoln could have found a lot better way to free the slaves than to start a Civil War. In theory, he is right. None of the other countries went to wars over slaves. The government just simply bought all of the slaves. Why couldn't the United States have done the same thing? I can answer this...it is cited in several documents that Lincoln actually did try to free the slaves by buying them, but it did not work. Now, whether these documents are actually true or not, I do not know. So I believe that Ron Paul could possibly be misinformed about that. However, as for the North and South being split, I have no idea where that idea stems from. I don't think those are Paul's intentions at all. I have never heard the argument like that before, and I would like you to explain that stance in more detail so that I can understand.

I would say that our current administration is more along the lines of Adolf Hitler than I would ever compare those who want to give us back our civil liberties like Paul, Howard, Kuninch...etc. Have you read the recent bill that Ron Paul proposed? Here is a link to it....you might find it interesting. It is far from Hitler. What I find most interesting among many things is Section 8. Does this mean that the government really is censoring the media? Remember, Ron Paul is more informed on these issues than we are. Alot of things go on behind closed doors in the government than we are aware of...

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3835ih.txt.pdf

We are about to go into a recession! I truly believe that he is the only one besides possibly Clinton that can get us out. We have got to pull out of the war, and not go to anymore wars. We don't even have a democracy here in the U.S. anymore. The system of checks and balances is breaking/has broken down in our government. Yet, we are trying to establish democracy in other countries (of course, this is a lie...i.e. oil). The top economists in the country are backing Ron Paul. If McCain is the Republican nominee, I will be voting for the Dems because McCain is a crazy war-hungry idiot. He is worse than Bush! Yet, Americans are failing to realize this, and they must want Bush x 2 all over again. If he is president, we will go to war with Iran. We will stay in Iraq. And I can't understand the fact that some people will only vote for their party no matter what. Close-minded poor souls. Now I see why people from other countries call us stupid.

Even Clinton is better than McCain, and I can't stand the thought of socialized medicine. I would normally vote Republican, but their ideas are too far off. They're neocons, which is the combined worst ideals of the Repub and Dem parties IMO.

This isn't about Ron Paul in the end. It is about Americans being very unhappy with the government. It is about the fact that Bush should be impeached. Clinton gets his dick sucked and lies to the public about it, and gets impeached. Bush lies hundreds of times, kills American soldiers under false pretenses, and kills thousands of Iraqis. WE WERE LIED TO over and over and over again. The extent and end results of these lies are yet to fully be understood, and he hasn't been impeached. I see a HUGE problem with this. Our ethics and morals are messed up. More and more people are starting to become aware of this, and a movement is beginning. Paul, Howard, and Kuninch just lit the fire.

Just for the record, I do not believe in some of Ron Paul's ideas on being a strict Constitutionalist. For instance, he wants to leave it up to the states to make up abortion laws and drug laws. I think that hard drugs like cocaine should absolutely not be allowed. The federal government does need to regulate that. However, I think the states should be given the power to decide on whether or not the state's citizens are allowed to use marijuana. People who are terminally ill are going to jail for using medicinal marijuana. I don't think that is right. If you are dying, you should be able to legally use it. In fact, I think alcohol is just as bad as marijuana if not worse. Changing times call for changes in the Constitution. Like I said, it isn't about Ron Paul. It is about freedom, and of us having a say again. Our government needs to drastically change. Luckily, many Americans are starting to come out of the trance and wake up, including, just recently, myself.

Also, Ron Paul falls closest to my ideals than any other candidate. Note that I said closest, and they are still far from my ideals. I just think that we have some horrible candidates running for president, and he is by far the worst of the evils for me.

I heard the quote myself Sunday morning with Chris Matthews. I heard Paul say almost exactly what I wrote. Now maybe he needed more time to fully explain what he meant, but this is what I heard. I was stunned as I thought he would be wiser on National TV.

And I do understand the frustration of too much government intervention. Its just that Paul goes so far opposite as to be bizarre.

No I only teach at a Junior College off and on and teach Physics
on the High school level.
I am thought to be an imbecile by more than a few.
So there ya go.