Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > Joe Silverio Simulcast Center
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-25-2008, 08:51 AM
jms62's Avatar
jms62 jms62 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 19,857
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Nikosi Reigns has been horrible. Greeley's Legacy could easily be below 2-1 but 5-1 feels to me like the highest. Frankly, anything higher seems suspicious. If he's right, and the race/speed stays intact, he will be extemely hard to beat.
Don't you thing Greeley's L will be hampered by the post position ? Outside wins haven't been that easy to get here in routes.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-25-2008, 10:18 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,938
Default

Dominguez understands saving ground. The post is less of a problem than a possible bias. We'll see how the track is playing.

I'm not personally overly worried because I may not bet. Greeley's Legacy is a superior animal to the horses in this race. If the track is reasonably fair, and it's a reasonably fairly run race, he will win.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-25-2008, 10:23 AM
zippyneedsawin's Avatar
zippyneedsawin zippyneedsawin is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,064
Default

route races have had less of a bias than those 6 furlong sprints at Aqueduct, IMO.
__________________
Alcohol, the cause and solution to all of life's problems. -Homer Simpson
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-25-2008, 10:24 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,938
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
route races have had less of a bias than those 6 furlong sprints at Aqueduct, IMO.
IMO it's the exact opposite.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-25-2008, 10:26 AM
zippyneedsawin's Avatar
zippyneedsawin zippyneedsawin is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,064
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
IMO it's the exact opposite.
i'm sure i haven't been following the inner meet as closely as you have, but based on the charts, I don't see it.
__________________
Alcohol, the cause and solution to all of life's problems. -Homer Simpson
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-25-2008, 10:30 AM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,938
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
i'm sure i haven't been following the inner meet as closely as you have, but based on the charts, I don't see it.
Looking at charts, while not watching races, is a recipe for disaster.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-25-2008, 10:32 AM
zippyneedsawin's Avatar
zippyneedsawin zippyneedsawin is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,064
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Looking at charts, while not watching races, is a recipe for disaster.

Did Confucious say that?

I'll watch some replays.
__________________
Alcohol, the cause and solution to all of life's problems. -Homer Simpson
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-25-2008, 01:09 PM
the_fat_man's Avatar
the_fat_man the_fat_man is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,676
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Looking at charts, while not watching races, is a recipe for disaster.
This is true in the general sense. Not as much when it comes to (speed) biases.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-25-2008, 11:49 AM
Bobby Fischer's Avatar
Bobby Fischer Bobby Fischer is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,401
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Dominguez understands saving ground. The post is less of a problem than a possible bias. We'll see how the track is playing.

I'm not personally overly worried because I may not bet. Greeley's Legacy is a superior animal to the horses in this race. If the track is reasonably fair, and it's a reasonably fairly run race, he will win.
agreed.

what do you think about Hurrah in terms of coming back off of 9 days rest, where he had that pinch at the start and had to be hard ridden?
He's not much of a price (at least to open). Normally I would consider a horse like this as a key horse in a trifecta, not sure how he will bounce back...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-25-2008, 12:02 PM
fpsoxfan's Avatar
fpsoxfan fpsoxfan is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Fort Plain
Posts: 2,485
Default

Glad I stayed away from the first two races. Chalk and Chalk.

Will it be a total Aquechalk day?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-25-2008, 12:08 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,938
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
agreed.

what do you think about Hurrah in terms of coming back off of 9 days rest, where he had that pinch at the start and had to be hard ridden?
He's not much of a price (at least to open). Normally I would consider a horse like this as a key horse in a trifecta, not sure how he will bounce back...

Hurrah only won last time because the second horse got a horrendous ride. As for the short rest.....I can't even fathom a guess how horses from Contessa's barn run from one day to the next.

I suppose he's not impossible but I don't particularly like his chances today.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.