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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think abortion in this day and age is too widely used as a form of birth control. Make a mistake, but don't make it twice. JMHO.

just read that the #'s are down, have been going down for years now. it's good news.
really no reason to use it as a form of birth control, since so much is widely available and covered by most insurance.
what cracks me up are that some co's don't cover birth control, but do cover viagra. still a mans world.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just read that the #'s are down, have been going down for years now. it's good news.
really no reason to use it as a form of birth control, since so much is widely available and covered by most insurance.
what cracks me up are that some co's don't cover birth control, but do cover viagra. still a mans world.

Yeah, that is good news. I went to school with a girl that had 4 abortions... you would think that swallowing a pill every morning would be easier than that. Don't you think?

[IrishofNDMan]

you don't have to be religious to think that taking a human life is wrong.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

you don't have to be religious to think that taking a human life is wrong.

I posted this earlier in the thread ND man and I will ask this of you right here. I too share your pro life views and I am guessing you are catholic like myself being you are such the ND man. Being the good catholic and being 20 years older than you I already have the children which I assume is your plan. I know it won't happen in all liklihood, but it is still a cruel world...I simply know for a fact that if my 12 year old daughter is violently raped and happens to get pregnant...I am rushing her to an abortion clinic as quickly as I can. I simply could not put her through what all that would entail in her life as a 12 turning 13 year old girl. Again...I know it's not too realistic as nearly all abortions are not this scenario...but does something like this never occur?? Has it never, ever happened?? There aren't a few crazy pedophiles out there??

anyway, that was my point, despite being a pro lifer I have my limits and can see legitimate reasons for an abortion procedure to be done. That being the case it is impossible for me to argue against abortion simply becuase another may have different limits than myself. It is a ridiculous topic in my opinion. The rich politicians taking the pro life stance will be able to take their children to another country to have a safe abortion with no issue and the poor will be able to head to back alleys and coat hangers once again. I find it sad that this remains an issue.

In the end, I find I have become much more liberal as I get older from what I was in my 20s. I guess that is the opposite of most, but I credit this shift to having children. You really would take a bullet for them. Thus I no longer argue the "pro-life" stance as nesessary as a must have for this country or outlawing abortion as necessary. I have done a complete shift on gay marriage/gay civil unions as I completely support that now where 20 years ago I would have thought it an outrage...and it is simply this...well, what if one of my 4 children is gay?? Would I take a bullet for them or throw them under a bus?? It is a simple answer.

It is a tough topic...but people can change their mind on it. I have on several issues the last couple decades. I have altered my stance on abortion as well. I will always be against really late pregnancy abortions etc...but I really can't see it as a clear cut issue...either yes, or no and that's it. There's several layers to it.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I posted this earlier in the thread ND man and I will ask this of you right here. I too share your pro life views and I am guessing you are catholic like myself being you are such the ND man. Being the good catholic and being 20 years older than you I already have the children which I assume is your plan. I know it won't happen in all liklihood, but it is still a cruel world...I simply know for a fact that if my 12 year old daughter is violently raped and happens to get pregnant...I am rushing her to an abortion clinic as quickly as I can. I simply could not put her through what all that would entail in her life as a 12 turning 13 year old girl. Again...I know it's not too realistic as nearly all abortions are not this scenario...but does something like this never occur?? Has it never, ever happened?? There aren't a few crazy pedophiles out there??

anyway, that was my point, despite being a pro lifer I have my limits and can see legitimate reasons for an abortion procedure to be done. That being the case it is impossible for me to argue against abortion simply becuase another may have different limits than myself. It is a ridiculous topic in my opinion. The rich politicians taking the pro life stance will be able to take their children to another country to have a safe abortion with no issue and the poor will be able to head to back alleys and coat hangers once again. I find it sad that this remains an issue.

In the end, I find I have become much more liberal as I get older from what I was in my 20s. I guess that is the opposite of most, but I credit this shift to having children. You really would take a bullet for them. Thus I no longer argue the "pro-life" stance as nesessary as a must have for this country or outlawing abortion as necessary. I have done a complete shift on gay marriage/gay civil unions as I completely support that now where 20 years ago I would have thought it an outrage...and it is simply this...well, what if one of my 4 children is gay?? Would I take a bullet for them or throw them under a bus?? It is a simple answer.

It is a tough topic...but people can change their mind on it. I have on several issues the last couple decades. I have altered my stance on abortion as well. I will always be against really late pregnancy abortions etc...but I really can't see it as a clear cut issue...either yes, or no and that's it. There's several layers to it.

As much as I am against abortion, in your scenerio with a 12 year old daughter getting raped I can see your point. If the law was changed where the only way you could have an abortion is in cases of rape, and where it can be proven that it was rape that I guess I can understand. If you are stupid enough to have unprotected sex and get pregnant, why should you take it out on another person (the baby) and abort them? Yes I am catholic, and I guess we are suppose to be against the condom, but I am not. I guess I am suppose to be against the pill, but I am not, and glad that my gf who is catholic is not either because neither of us are ready to have a child, but we know if the accident did happen then we would be having one because abortion really is not an option. So you can see that I'm not the perfect Catholic and there are things I do wrong according to the church, and my religion is NOT the reason I am Pro-Life.

[IrishofNDMan]

one more thing, I just saw a topic posted in the paddock about the ban of horse slaughter.

I would truely hope that if any of you guys are willing to fight for the ban of horse slaughter you would do the same for the ban of abortion and the taking of a human life.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

one more thing, I just saw a topic posted in the paddock about the ban of horse slaughter.

I would truely hope that if any of you guys are willing to fight for the ban of horse slaughter you would do the same for the ban of abortion and the taking of a human life.

apples and oranges.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've stayed out of this, because once you bring religion into a discussion, it ruins it. But what does one have to do with the other?

I've actually kept religion out of it, saying me being pro-life has nothing to do with my Catholic religion.

If you are against killing horses, you should be against killing a human life.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've stayed out of this, because once you bring religion into a discussion, it ruins it. But what does one have to do with the other?

I've actually kept religion out of it, saying me being pro-life has nothing to do with my Catholic religion.

If you are against killing horses, you should be against killing a human life.