Chris Antley - Page 5

blackthroatedwind · #81 12-20-2007, 03:13 PM

Well, after Day's ride on North Sider at Belmont on Preakness Day of 1987 Day got an extended vacation and tongue lashing from Lukas.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #82 12-20-2007, 03:20 PM

dwl is a all time great..his list of accolades speaks for itself all the other crap is just that crap..many have had horses break down. and he was very good on the minimum wgt issue for jocks... THEY STAND TO MAKE ALOT OF MONEY.....THEY SHOULD WATCH THIER WIEGHT.... from a hbo jocks whinefest re cap on hbo sports..gotta love it..

Benny Leger · #83 12-20-2007, 03:21 PM

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He also talked about Antley never coming by the barn between races....I believe.

Antley gave Charismatic a horrendous ride in the Belmont. The unfortunate events after the race saved him from being murdered in the press.

Lucas "Charismatic was standing there in his stall, and we didn't know if he would live or die. Now, if you cared about the horse, don't you think you would walk the twenty feet to see him? I know I would. But he just got into the back of his limousine and drove away."

Lucas said this to a reporter at the barn after the Belmont, knowing full well he was riding Magicalmysterycat for him the next day in California. I can't see in any way how Lucas was being fair to Ant when he made that statement.

whodey17 · #84 12-20-2007, 03:23 PM

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Well, after Day's ride on North Sider at Belmont on Preakness Day of 1987 Day got an extended vacation and tongue lashing from Lukas.

Well that ride was pretty awful and the "vacation" was well warranted.

Say what you want about DWL, but he has go down as true pioneer in training. You don't win championships in Quarter Horse and thoroughbreds by accident. He is a great horseman and demands perfection from everyone he employs.

Benny Leger · #85 12-20-2007, 03:30 PM

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Well that ride was pretty awful and the "vacation" was well warranted.

Say what you want about DWL, but he has go down as true pioneer in training. You don't win championships in Quarter Horse and thoroughbreds by accident. He is a great horseman and demands perfection from everyone he employs.

I agree with everything you said. He dominated the game for a long time. But some of the statements made by Lucas after Antley's death were disturbing to me.

blackthroatedwind · #86 12-20-2007, 03:35 PM

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I agree with everything you said. He dominated the game for a long time. But some of the statements made by Lucas after Antley's death were disturbing to me.

Maybe he grew tired of hearing embellished stories about Antley. I think perhaps you need to look at it at least a little from his perspective. Antley wasn't exactly the guy the media sometimes portrayed him to be. Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of sympathy for his problems, a great deal, and I am genuinely sorry for what happened to him, and wish the media hadn't enabled him during the TC of 1999, and even said so then, but Antley didn't exactly always seperate his problems from his job. Lukas probably just got weary from hearing a whole lot of BS and sounded off. Would it have been better left unsaid? Perhaps.....but that doesn't make Lukas wrong.

whodey17 · #87 12-20-2007, 03:43 PM

Whatever happend between the two men is horrible. Antley with all the potential in the world and fell to addiction and Lukas a man who has accomplished everything in American racing but the Triple Crown. Very odd pair indeed.

AeWingnut · #88 12-20-2007, 03:44 PM

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I agree with everything you said. He dominated the game for a long time. But some of the statements made by Lukas after Antley's death were disturbing to me.

I agree. Usually after someone's death people have enough class to either find something nice to say about them or nothing. D. Wayne didn't have a horse in the derby and, needing attention, thought it was a good time to publicly bring up the fact that Chris Antley never took a genuine interest in Charasmatic. Don't remember if he was asked or not.

side note.. I believe Laffit Pincay was supposed to ride Charismatic but stayed in California to ride Event of The Year who finished up the track.

I used to routinely toss his horses from my bet. Very few times has it cost me. I think he went 1 in 90 at Santa Anita. When he went to Oaklawn he turned thing around a little.

hi_im_god · #89 12-20-2007, 04:04 PM

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Let me ask you something. Is it wrong to be truthful? As has been mentioned, after his death Antley was portrayed as something he was not. Now, his death was a sad story but like has been mentioned Lukas was probably annoyed at how the situation was being portrayed by the media.

Why is Lukas so wrong for being honest? Whatever someone was while living doesn't all of the sudden disappear when they die. I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas. Seems like they want to dislike him, but don't really know why.

he's a terrible trainer. just look at the assistants he's employed. none of them ever accomplished much. if he was good you'd think one or two (or 1/2 dozen) of them would have become top trainers themselves.

btw: when i die i expect all of you to remain quiet.

SentToStud · #90 12-20-2007, 04:04 PM

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Let me ask you something. Is it wrong to be truthful? As has been mentioned, after his death Antley was portrayed as something he was not. Now, his death was a sad story but like has been mentioned Lukas was probably annoyed at how the situation was being portrayed by the media.

Why is Lukas so wrong for being honest? Whatever someone was while living doesn't all of the sudden disappear when they die. I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas. Seems like they want to dislike him, but don't really know why.

The pagans thought the dead had more power than the living. Maybe it started there.

And no, I'm still out $25. Eric and Bob robbed me. I let it go. AS I understand it, Bold Brooklynite's wife is very sick with cancer, so I won't tempt the gods.

Riot · #91 12-20-2007, 04:41 PM

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I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas.

Success.

People now transfer that to Pletcher.

blackthroatedwind · #92 12-20-2007, 04:46 PM

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Lukas didn't like Antley because Antley was getting more attention than him. Lukas is an insecure attention seeker. If he isn't the center of attention he can't stand it. Just ask his 4 wives.

I assume that's why you don't like Lukas.

blackthroatedwind · #93 12-20-2007, 05:03 PM

Trainers lose horses all the time. I'm not Lukas's biggest fan either but it's far from clear he is the butcher many portray him as compared to many top trainers.

blackthroatedwind · #94 12-20-2007, 05:09 PM

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All I know is that if you were a veterinarian for Lukas you retired with quite a bit of cash in your pocket.

As opposed to other trainers who's horses you have touted on this site?

AeWingnut · #95 12-20-2007, 05:25 PM

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Let me ask you something. Is it wrong to be truthful? As has been mentioned, after his death Antley was portrayed as something he was not. Now, his death was a sad story but like has been mentioned Lukas was probably annoyed at how the situation was being portrayed by the media.

Why is Lukas so wrong for being honest? Whatever someone was while living doesn't all of the sudden disappear when they die. I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas. Seems like they want to dislike him, but don't really know why.

Never challenged the facts. Wasn't about truth, it was about class.

Definately not jealous of D. Wayne Lukas. He only cost me money when I bet his horses.

blackthroatedwind · #96 12-20-2007, 05:27 PM

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Definately not jealous of D. Wayne Lukas. He only cost me money when I bet his horses.

I see.....it was Lukas's fault when you bet a horse he trained and it lost.

Thanks for clearing that up.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #97 12-20-2007, 05:38 PM

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I see.....it was Lukas's fault when you bet a horse he trained and it lost.

Thanks for clearing that up.

going wild got me twice..yet a have no hard feelings lol

fpsoxfan · #98 12-20-2007, 05:49 PM

The only problem I have with Lukas is this hard-on he has for Jockey's when it comes to the weight issue. He has no problem with a jockey basically slowly killing himself by flipping on a daily basis. He passes it off as basically the hazards that go along with the job.

fpsoxfan · #99 12-20-2007, 06:04 PM

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I agree with him.

If they raise the weights a few pounds, do you think that will eliminate flipping?

You are right Hoss, but that's a whole other argument. It's just his attitude in general in both interviews I've seen involving him on this issue. We can take the "It's Just their Job" attitude on a number of professions, but he just comes off a little to harsh for me. Other than that, I have no problem with the man.

Bigsmc · #**100** 12-20-2007, 06:17 PM

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The most ridiculous thing in racing is that they keep the weights so low. Exercise riders who get on the horses every morning often weigh 140+.

People have evolved. They are much bigger now than 50 years ago. If you gave these guys an extra 10 pounds it would be a HUGE difference in their lives.

Yes it will make a big difference in the current jockey's lives, but there will always be another (slightly larger) group of riders that will flip to make the new higher weight.

Raising the weights for jocks will by no means eliminate the abuse they put themselves through to make weight.

Make the weight 130 and you'll have 140 pounders in the hot box and fipping like mad to make the 130.