Chris Antley

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Desormaeux can school any jock riding today. He is one of the best Turf Jocks and is one of FEW jocks who uses thier brains and not instict when riding a horse.

Kent's just the guy I want standing up at the 1/16 pole.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

. Him never winning the triple crown assured me the racing Gods were indeed just.

Yeah, they really stuck it to him......he only won the Kentucky Derby four times, the Preakness five times and the Belmont Stakes four times. Not to mention his 17 BC wins.

Can you imagine what he would have done if the Gods weren't sticking it to him?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, they really stuck it to him......he only won the Kentucky Derby four times, the Preakness five times and the Belmont Stakes four times. Not to mention his 17 BC wins.

Can you imagine what he would have done if the Gods weren't sticking it to him?

c'mon now btw. don't let facts get in the way of emotion.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

He didn't wear around a watch with a kentucky derby trophy on it. He wore around a watch with the 11 triple crown winners and the blank spot for the twelfth.

Winning the KD has been done by a ton of people, it is a nice thing. But only the triple crown winners are immortals.

Every top trainer in the business has one dream. To win the TC, not the derby.

You obviously don't know Lukas that well. Ask any former assistant and they will tell you the guy was/is obsessed with winning the TC.

I don't know him at all. I do, however, know that he has left an indelible mark of accomplishment in this game. For you to suggest that because he didn't have a TC winner he in some way failed is beyond absurd.

The man's accomplishments are simply incredible. He is certainly closer to being immortal than Billy Turner.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The man's accomplishments are simply incredible.

I've seen more than enough of him to know his salesmanship skills greatly exceed his ability to get the best out of the stock he gets.

His accomplishments are incredible because they underline how many obscenely wealthy horse owners lack the ability to place their stock with the correct trainer.

[sumitas]

Lukas has often shocked the racing world with his big, unexpected wins. Most either love or hate the man because of his shocking wins. He shocked me in the Jim Dandy when Scorpion wired Free Of Love at the wire. I had FOL in a number of winning combinations only to be shocked by Scorpion. Lukas beat me again, this time for quite a few bucks, I thought leaving the track.

Click on this picture as Lukas was shocking Saratoga. Congaree hung on for 3rd saving tons of bridgejumpers.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/free+of+love
FOL is on the rail, Scorpion foreground.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've seen more than enough of him to know his salesmanship skills greatly exceed his ability to get the best out of the stock he gets.

His accomplishments are incredible because they underline how many obscenely wealthy horse owners lack the ability to place their stock with the correct trainer.

Drugs.....the most difficult part of evaluating a guy like DWayne and the rest of the big names is the lack of a stat or index that incorporates....

"Racing Productivity/Money Spent on Developing Talent"

Assuming that the vast majority of what the big training outfits work with is young horse flesh purchased by deep pockets who then take the raw product and ask a guy like DWayne, TP, Kiran etc to then develop these insanely expensive babies into champions if not successful stakes horses for eventual breeding themselves. A glorified ROI for $$ invested vs whats earned by the horse from the track and then the reproductive career. I am not aware of any but do you think there are trainers who do well from this angle of figuring an index or stat for what a trainer produces or money returned via earnings over several years (because I would imagine that a yearly index would be impossible to interpret since the on track earning potential isn't a one year stat as 2 year olds do not have the opportunities to earn that 3 and older have)......

And even if this data did make sense as an index for a trainer are you not better off using a trainer who does more with lesser numbers of horses or the comparasion between guys like Asmusen and say Nafzger. If your going to spend several hundred thousand on a yearling do you do better with the factory or big chain approach or the "mom and pop" smaller guy who may have trained 10 horses a year but they all get individual attention from the true name trainer.......yes I must consider decaff!!!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

He belongs in the HOF simply because he earned it. It is impossible to say he doesn't have the credentials and he never did anything to hurt the sport. In fact if you bet on him you knew you got a competitive guy on your horse, maybe too competitive.

As for Lukas, if you read Three Strides Before the Wire, it makes Lukas look like an insensitive jerk, which in my opinion he is. He is from that Bobby Knight school. Phonies if you ask me.

Lukas is now getting cheap claimers from Whitney and winning at around a 10% clip. Him never winning the triple crown assured me the racing Gods were indeed just.

i heard he used a long whip on azeri in training.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

As for Lukas, if you read Three Strides Before the Wire, it makes Lukas look like an insensitive jerk, which in my opinion he is. He is from that Bobby Knight school. Phonies if you ask me.

I wouldn't say he appeared insensitive, moreso, disappointed.