Three New BC Races

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

Guess that puts a crimp in the "short fields will result" argument.

That argument is settled....or perhaps you didn't see the fields for the races this year.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That argument is settled....or perhaps you didn't see the fields for the races this year.

This is a pretty good point that seems to have somehow been overlooked in this strange thread.
The addition of 3 new races this year ALREADY affected the field size of the existing races. Some people in this thread seem to be saying that something won't happen....that has already happened.
It seems odd to me.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by miraja2

This is a pretty good point that seems to have somehow been overlooked in this strange thread.
The addition of 3 new races this year ALREADY affected the field size of the existing races. Some people in this thread seem to be saying that something won't happen....that has already happened.
It seems odd to me.

If you guys keep saying that it won't make it true. I'm yet to hear a good example of a horse that would have run on Saturday if there were no Friday races and La Traviata is the only one that I can think of. There is no way they would have run Dream Rush at 6 furlongs against the boys. The Cigar Mile was hurt far more by the Friday races losing both Corinthian and Discreet Cat than any of the Saturday races were hurt. The only even possible I can think of is Xchanger who surely would have gone in the Jerome long before the Classic if the DC Dirt Mile didn't exist.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If you guys keep saying that it won't make it true. I'm yet to hear a good example of a horse that would have run on Saturday if there were no Friday races and La Traviata is the only one that I can think of. There is no way they would have run Dream Rush at 6 furlongs against the boys. The Cigar Mile was hurt far more by the Friday races losing both Corinthian and Discreet Cat than any of the Saturday races were hurt. The only even possible I can think of is Xchanger who surely would have gone in the Jerome long before the Classic if the DC Dirt Mile didn't exist.

From Friday, the following might have run on Saturday: Corinthian, Discreet Cat, Wanderin Boy, Lewis Michael, Gottcha Gold, Dream Rush, The Leopard and La Traviata. Many of these could have certainly changed the dynamics of the races they would have run in.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If you guys keep saying that it won't make it true. I'm yet to hear a good example of a horse that would have run on Saturday if there were no Friday races and La Traviata is the only one that I can think of. There is no way they would have run Dream Rush at 6 furlongs against the boys. The Cigar Mile was hurt far more by the Friday races losing both Corinthian and Discreet Cat than any of the Saturday races were hurt. The only even possible I can think of is Xchanger who surely would have gone in the Jerome long before the Classic if the DC Dirt Mile didn't exist.

That strikes me as a strange sentence. You say that you have yet to hear a good example.....and then you name one.
It is also one (of the several) that have already been named on this thread (see response #81), so if you haven't seen an example, you simply haven't been reading very carefully.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That strikes me as a strange sentence. You say that you have yet to hear a good example.....and then you name one.
It is also one (of the several) that have already been named on this thread (see response #81), so if you haven't seen an example, you simply haven't been reading very carefully.

The three horses named were La Traviata, Dream Rush, and Diamond Stripes.

Diamond Stripes ran in the Classic, I don't see why his name was brought up at all.

La Traviata, a 3-year-old filly with only 3 starts under her belt, who didn't even start racing until June, was supposed to run in October against the all-ages boys in the Sprint? A three-start filly, with one Grade 3 race under her belt, against older males in a Grade 1 race? She was considered for the Sprint, but was indeed pulled in favor of Friday. Thank goodness. Did that defection ruin the running of the Sprint? Doubtful.

Dream Rush, top of her division and also a three-year-old, was also supposed to run against the all-ages boys in the Sprint? Her owners never considered it. She wouldn't have been there at all if Friday's races didn't exist.

I think it a far better race, to see two promising three-year-old filly sprinters meet and run against each other, than to see them crushed by running against older males. Enough that a three-year-old is thrown in a race open to olders of her sex.

Not "good examples of how Friday race availability has ruined the Saturday entries and diluted the quality of the racing" in my book.

[Riot]

Okay guys. If the Breeders Cup could be restarted from scratch, what races would you include on the card?

I would have no 2-year-old races. Let them be "champions" starting in the fall of their three-year-old year, after they've proven themselves and have run for at least a year. Give the young turks something to shoot for, on the track and someday in the shed.

[Riot]

Good grief. Has anybody seen the DRF? Mike Welsch uses the term "marathon" twice in two headlines.

Please, somebody tell me this isn't a concious "editorial decision" from above to use these terms, made solely to support the Breeders Cup folks that think 1 1/2 miles is a "marathon"?

Maybe they can change the name of the Belmont Stakes to the Belmont Marathon.