Three New BC Races

[blackthroatedwind]

It must have been Chip Tuttle's input.

[Riot]

Alot of you are doing exactly what you diss the TB industry for doing - looking solely at Breeders Cup day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

Alot of you are doing exactly what you diss the TB industry for doing - looking solely at Breeders Cup day.

That's what the thread is about.

And don't sell us short....many of us are acutely aware, and have pointed out, how detrimental the BC is to the rest of the game.

[Riot]

That's what the thread is about. And don't sell us short....many of us are acutely aware, and have pointed out, how detrimental the BC is to the rest of the game.

I absolutely agree with that last. But that doesn't mean I don't desire more races throughout the year to be available at over a 1 1/6 miles, and I would rather see that added to a Friday, than more sprints.

You've got 16 minutes to post, you revved up for action? I expect a fast break, a confident rail lead, and head-to-head fighting off of all contenders.

How long can you last? A mile, or longer?

[SentToStud]

Breeders Cup, Ltd. itself must be wildly profitable for them to be tossing about $3-4 million at the new and second year races next year. It's just too bad this big and getting bigger chunk of the public's betting dollars are going into the pockets of the BC people at the expense of the greater good of the sport.

God forbid some of the profits generated in the industry be spent on frivolities such as modern tote systems that stop betting on a timely basis or moderating takeout.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

God forbid some of the profits generated in the industry be spent on frivolities such as modern tote systems that stop betting on a timely basis or moderating takeout.

It's thinking like this that will forever leave you on the outside looking in.

[Riot]

I see your point, but do you really think the race was created as a way to try and take the speed out of the breed? It's a nice thought and all, but I don't believe it for a second

Who knows why they did what they did this year, with Friday. It's crazy.

[Travis Stone]

From a business perspective, the Friday races were a huge success.

I wonder if they considered the Filly & Mare Turf Mile?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

From a business perspective, the Friday races were a huge success.

Unless you accept at least the possibility that the diluted races on Saturday, at least partially due to Friday's races, were what led to the substantial decrease in handle on the big day.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Unless you accept at least the possibility that the diluted races on Saturday, at least partially due to Friday's races, were what led to the substantial decrease in handle on the big day.

Who besides maybe Corinthian or Discreet Cat ran on Friday instead of Sat?

The fact that the long turf races were underfilled may have been more of a contributor to the handle decrease.

[blackthroatedwind]

La Traviata, Dream Rush, and Diamond Stripes off the top of my head.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who besides maybe Corinthian or Discreet Cat ran on Friday instead of Sat?

The fact that the long turf races were underfilled may have been more of a contributor to the handle decrease.

I thought he meant more a dilution in the sense that the BC wagering dollars were spread out across two days instead of one. Clearly most people who bet on the first day and lost had less to wager on the second day. just my guess. It was true in my case anyway.

[Cannon Shell]

Maybe I am being naive but why the all personal anomisity toward the Breeders Cup? I understand what many of you are saying but the fact is the ship has sailed on mny of these subjects like the over focus on the Breeders Cup to the detriment of some traditional races. It is like bitching about the DH in baseball or 3 point line in basketball.

As an owner/trainer I can say that it is hard not to appreciate the addition of a turf sprint or 2 year old filly turf race. I'm sure many of you would think the same if you owned a horse that might possibly be good enough to compete in one of these new races.

As discussed in another far too long thread I can't see why anyone would bitch about the purses for these races being too big or the fact that the fields will be weak or not up to BC quality. There are tons of races that come up weak or with short fields throughout the year that no one call for the removal of. For instance most graded non turf races run in California.

The philosophical reasons behind the complaints are baffling to me. So what if we have a turf sprint champion? Or a 2 year old turf champion. Or a champion miler? What difference does it make to your bankroll or enjoyment of the game? I personally thought Matt Holiday should have been the NL MVP but he when Rollins got it I didn't say that baseball sucks and it is a conspiracy. I mean I dont agree, it was close and I hadn't thought about it until I wrote this since I am trying to think like a fan instead of a participant.

The "dirt" marathon seems like a silly idea but who really cares? There is constant harping about the shortening of the major races but when they put this kind of race in (though it seems very arbitrary and like as Andy said an attention deflector) everybody is against it or unbelieveable says it is too short.

The Breeders Cup is far from a perfect organization and some of the things they do are certainly debatable but I can only see one reason why you guys should bitch about the addition of these races and no one has brought it up yet.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Just more action to add to the mix, no big deal with me.