Day that Shall Live in Infamy

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No,lady,you come on.They were not innocent.They were very guilty of believing they were a master race,and their emperor was a God.That's the reason this all took place to begin with.The guys still in that USS Arizona are the real innocent dead ones(not people who supported the emperor of Japan.)If you attack an innocent country(how many did they attack...a lot) you better damn sure win.They lost,but they didn't get what was coming to them.Japanese soldiers who cut the heads off men during the Batan death march,got to live out their lives like they did nothing wrong .I've seen them interviewed.We should have told them that everybody had to leave Japan.Then,we should have made more bombs and turned their beloved island into a layer of glass.Then,we would see whether they were really sorry about Pearl Harbor.Nuclear bombs are awful,but these people who supported that emperor(all the way) deserved every bit of it.They were not innocent.Germany the same.To be honest,we have countries that push this same extreme ultra nationalism today.One of them is certainly Turkey(a potentially very dangerous country.)They use the word for "race" in their national anthem.

And Scuds, we have people here who believe Bush was personally put in office by Jesus Christ and God loves America more than any other nation. What's your point? That citizens get inflated views of their homelands? Well, duh.

And where's your proof that every single person burned to death by those bombs supported the war? Did the babies? Did the four-year-olds? How about the five-year-olds? To say we killed absolutely no innocents is not only ridiculous, it smacks of the same irrational nationalism that you accuse other nations of. Are you saying those babies and small children deserved to burn up in an atomic blast? Is that what you're saying? Yes or no, please.

We fought back after being attacked and we fought Japan until they surrendered. Once they did, we stopped attacking and helped them rebuild. Because that's what you do in war, if you're fighting it honorably. Anything else is just revenge. Continuing to punish a nation after it surrenders is the behavior of thugs. Thank goodness the leaders of our nation during WWII didn't think like you- today Japan is an ally, due in no small part to us helping it rebuild.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And Scuds, we have people here who believe Bush was personally put in office by Jesus Christ and God loves America more than any other nation. What's your point? That citizens get inflated views of their homelands? Well, duh.

And where's your proof that every single person burned to death by those bombs supported the war? Did the babies? Did the four-year-olds? How about the five-year-olds? To say we killed absolutely no innocents is not only ridiculous, it smacks of the same irrational nationalism that you accuse other nations of. Are you saying those babies and small children deserved to burn up in an atomic blast? Is that what you're saying? Yes or no, please.

We fought back after being attacked and we fought Japan until they surrendered. Once they did, we stopped attacking and helped them rebuild. Because that's what you do in war, if you're fighting it honorably. Anything else is just revenge. Continuing to punish a nation after it surrenders is the behavior of thugs. Thank goodness the leaders of our nation during WWII didn't think like you- today Japan is an ally, due in no small part to us helping it rebuild.

Oh,I think the problem here is you aren't aware just how ruthless these "people" acted.Lady,we got an awful lot of men in that coffin (about 1,000 innocent men.)This was not an honorably fought war(in any way.)During the BATAN Death March they hacked men to death,cut their heads off etc. Whatever they felt like doing to Americans,Brits,Aussies etc. They committed atrocities in every country they took.Raped Filipino women so much that they were mental vegetables after the war.Over a thousand men on this one ship were trapped in there when it sank.You think I should feel something for the friends,families and fellow citizens of the scum that did this to innocent people? No,I don't.They deserved those bombs.No more innocent Americans should of had to lose their lives fighting this scum.These bombs got them to surrender without any more innocent Americans dead.Yea,lady,those Japanese had to die for this war to end.I have zero sympathy for anybody living in Japan at that time......ZERO.THEY DESERVED 10 MORE BOMBS...ATLEAST!!! They will never pay the debt they owe to the countries they attacked.NEVER....THEY CAN NEVER MAKE UP FOR WHAT THEY DID.WAR isn't honorable.It is hell.Those bombs were just part of that hell,but so were the men they cut in two.What you don't get is that they deserved their ass-kickin' ,but those men in that ship didn't deserve what they got.Next time you start feeling soft for the Japanese go to that Arizona Memorial,and put your sympathy in the place it really belongs.You disgust me.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh,I think the problem here is you aren't aware just how ruthless these "people" acted.Lady,we got an awful lot of men in that coffin (about 1,000 innocent men.)This was not an honorably fought war(in any way.)During the BATAN Death March they hacked men to death,cut their heads off etc. Whatever they felt like doing to Americans,Brits,Aussies etc. They committed atrocities in every country they took.Raped Filipino women so much that they were mental vegetables after the war.Over a thousand men on this one ship were trapped in there when it sank.You think I should feel something for the friends,families and fellow citizens of the scum that did this to innocent people? No,I don't.They deserved those bombs.No more innocent Americans should of had to lose their lives fighting this scum.These bombs got them to surrender without any more innocent Americans dead.Yea,lady,those Japanese had to die for this war to end.I have zero sympathy for anybody living in Japan at that time......ZERO.THEY DESERVED 10 MORE BOMBS...ATLEAST!!! They will never pay the debt they owe to the countries they attacked.NEVER....THEY CAN NEVER MAKE UP FOR WHAT THEY DID.WAR isn't honorable.It is hell.Those bombs were just part of that hell,but so were the men they cut in two.What you don't get is that they deserved their ass-kickin' ,but those men in that ship didn't deserve what they got.Next time you start feeling soft for the Japanese go to that Arizona Memorial,and put your sympathy in the place it really belongs.You disgust me.

once we've destroyed turkey and japan will you finally calm down?

[Storm Cadet]

I leave for Hawaii in 7 days for the Rainbow Basketball Classic...Pearl Harbor is my 1st stop to visit when I get some time off! I've always wanted to make the visit to the Arizona.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

once we've destroyed turkey and japan will you finally calm down?

Don't read 'em if you don't like them.All you ever do is return somebody's fast serve,but you can't serve.Your opinion is don't have a strong opinion.Fact is that all 3 countries support or supported the idea that their race is superior to all others.As far as Turkey goes,I know their ultra-nationalism is gunna be a huge problem.They've been taught to worship a leader who died 70 years ago.There is no freedom of the press.Overall,the people seem rather uneducated.Even their Moslem religion takes a backseat to their ultra-nationalism.It's only a matter of time before this bomb goes off.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Don't read 'em if you don't like them.All you ever do is return somebody's fast serve,but you can't serve.Your opinion is don't have a strong opinion.Fact is that all 3 countries support or supported the idea that their race is superior to all others.As far as Turkey goes,I know their ultra-nationalism is gunna be a huge problem.They've been taught to worship a leader who died 70 years ago.There is no freedom of the press.Overall,the people seem rather uneducated.Even their Moslem religion takes a backseat to their ultra-nationalism.It's only a matter of time before this bomb goes off.

"Don't read 'em if you don't like them"

who said i didn't enjoy this?

"All you ever do is return somebody's fast serve"

or slow fat curveball

"but you can't serve"

i know. it's too difficult to throw those heavy blood soaked opinions around.

"Your opinion is don't have a strong opinion"

that's called "open minded"

the rest of that post is more of your usual yadda yadda yadda only less funny.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

.I have zero sympathy for anybody living in Japan at that time......ZERO.THEY DESERVED 10 MORE BOMBS...ATLEAST!!

I won't bore anyone with stories of going to see the memorial (several times) or any about my Dad (who served in WWII).....

I can understand your anger but it's your militancy that i find a bit scary.

Do you have any idea of what the estimates were like, the total numbers of victims?

Can you comprehend the number 200,000? TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND children, women, men, daughters, sons, parents, loved ones? Do you understand that that number doesn't include the misery of those who died later, who suffered from radiation burns, cancer, etc? That that number is merely an estimate (which goes as high as 210,000)?


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I'm not saying you're a bad person here... just reminding you that innocent people on both sides suffered horrific and unimaginable deaths.

I'm curious as to your comment on the population of Turkey and also want to know if you address women in general as "lady" or if that was some kind of term of endearment for GR.

It seems a little demeaning to me... like some bad dialogue from a 50's film.

She's literate, educated and states her points well. I just find the term a bit crude.

Shut your mouth and go into the kitchen and make me a sammich, woman.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Shut your mouth and go into the kitchen and make me a sammich, woman.

Whew... I thought you were gonna call me a broad.

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Whew... I thought you were gonna call me a broad.

I was talking to Morty.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And Scuds, we have people here who believe Bush was personally put in office by Jesus Christ and God loves America more than any other nation. What's your point? That citizens get inflated views of their homelands? Well, duh.

And where's your proof that every single person burned to death by those bombs supported the war? Did the babies? Did the four-year-olds? How about the five-year-olds? To say we killed absolutely no innocents is not only ridiculous, it smacks of the same irrational nationalism that you accuse other nations of. Are you saying those babies and small children deserved to burn up in an atomic blast? Is that what you're saying? Yes or no, please.

We fought back after being attacked and we fought Japan until they surrendered. Once they did, we stopped attacking and helped them rebuild. Because that's what you do in war, if you're fighting it honorably. Anything else is just revenge. Continuing to punish a nation after it surrenders is the behavior of thugs. Thank goodness the leaders of our nation during WWII didn't think like you- today Japan is an ally, due in no small part to us helping it rebuild.

I love you.





An I don't think you're PP.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

For all those who feel sorry for the "innocent victims" killed by the bombs that ended the 2nd World War.None of them considered you THEIR EQUAL.You would be considered sub-human by the same Japanese
you feel sorry sorry for.


"The major means of getting intelligence was to extract information by interrogating prisoners. Torture was an unavoidable necessity. Murdering and burying them follows naturally. You do it so you won't be found out. I believed and acted this way because I was convinced of what I was doing. We carried out our duty as instructed by our masters. We did it for the sake of our country. From our filial obligation to our ancestors. On the battlefield, we never really considered the Chinese humans. When you're winning, the losers look really miserable. We concluded that the Yamato [i.e. Japanese] race was superior."-A former Japanese Army officer who served in China, Uno Shintaro


NANJING MASSACRE:

"Women and children were not spared from the horrors of the massacres. Often, Japanese soldiers cut off the breasts, disemboweled them, or in the case of pregnant women, cut open the uterus and removed the fetus. Witnesses recall Japanese soldiers throwing babies into the air and catching them with their bayonets. Pregnant women were often the target of murder, as they would often be bayoneted in the belly, sometimes after rape.[21] Many women were first brutally raped then killed. The actual scene of this massacre is introduced in detail in the documentary film of the movie "The Battle of China".

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"They would grab young babies from their mothers and bayonet them in the bottom," -survivor Nanjing Massacre


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an Indian POW, Havildar Changdi Ram, testified that: "[on November 12, 1944] the Kempeitai beheaded [an Allied] pilot. I saw this from behind a tree and watched some of the Japanese cut flesh from his arms, legs, hips, buttocks and carry it off to their quarters... They cut it small pieces and fried it."

In some cases, flesh was cut from living people: another Indian POW, Lance Naik Hatam Ali (later a citizen of Pakistan), testified that in New Guinea:

"the Japanese started selecting prisoners and everyday one prisoner was taken out and killed and eaten by the soldiers. I personally saw this happen and about 100 prisoners were eaten at this place by the Japanese. The remainder of us were taken to another spot 50 miles [80 km] away where 10 prisoners died of sickness. At this place, the Japanese again started selecting prisoners to eat. Those selected were taken to a hut where their flesh was cut from their bodies while they were alive and they were thrown into a ditch where they later died."

So,those who say the 2 bombs dropped were a mistake would rather we had done what?Fought this scum some more,and had them cut another 1000 American Heads off....Screw you.You're wrong.