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11-27-2007, 12:12 AM
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Awards 1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award 1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award 1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" Let me explain to the dense... They are saying he was the best player in the league in'74.Then they're trying to tell you he was responsible for putting his team in the World Series in 78,and 84.Seems the individual was a lil more clutch a player than one,Chuck S is able to admit.He gives a post season batting %.Others were willing to say he was the most responsible(in both '78 and '84) for his team getting to the world series. Last edited by SCUDSBROTHER : 11-27-2007 at 12:29 AM. 
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11-27-2007, 01:15 AM
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Won the 1974 NL MVP… Also finished in top 10 in NL MVP voting
in 1976 (T6th), `77 (6th), `78 (2nd) and `80 (6th)…Ranks second all-time in fielding among first basemen (.9959)… Ten All-Star teams, including eight consecutively (1974-'81, '84-'85); batted .393 with seven RBI and two HR in 28 ASG at-bats… Holds ASG record for most games played at 1B (10)…Named ASG MVP in 1974 and `78… Won four NL Gold Gloves, consecutively (1974-`77)… Eight seasons with .300-plus batting average and six seasons with 200-plus hits… 100-plus RBI five times, 20-plus HR six times, and 30-plus doubles seven times… Led NL in hits twice (1978, '80)… Holds ML records among 1B for most consecutive errorless games, season (159), in 1984 (entire season); most consecutive errorless chances, season (1,319), 1984; and most consecutive errorless games, career (193), 1983-`85… Holds NL record for most consecutive errorless chances accepted, 1B, (1,633), 1983-85… Led NL 1B in games nine times (1975-'81, '84-'85), putouts six times (1974-'78, '85), fielding average five times (1975-'77, '81, '84), total chances five times (1974,'75, '77, '78, '85), and DPs once (1985)… One NL Division Series (1981); batted .368 with four RBI and two HR in 19 NLDS at-bats… Five NL Championship Series (1974, `77, `78, `81, `84); hit .356 in 90 NLCS at-bats… Holds career NLCS record for HR (8) and RBI (21)…Named MVP of NLCS (1978, '84)… Five World Series (1974, `77, `78, `81, `84); batted .319 with six RBI and five doubles in 113 WS at-bats… Two errors in 55 post-season games… Member of 1981 WS championship team.
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11-27-2007, 10:41 AM
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11-27-2007, 01:14 PM
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HE BEAT THESE HALL OF FAMERS IN '74....I PUT A VALUE OF WINNING THINGS.YOU PUT MORE VALUE ON COLLECTING OVER A LOT OF YEARS.In other words you like a weed,and I prefer flowers.One looks beautiful,and makes people feel good,and the other is just there for a while(hanging out.)You say he isn't good enough,buy he routinely led his team to kick Schmidt's butt in the post.So,he beat Schmidt again.This is my point..Garvey (accused of being so self-centered) shows signs of being the offensive glue for the teams he played for.He wasn't just a part of the puzzle.He usually was playing 162 games,and not slumping.A very consistent offensive weapon when the team needed to win.When they wanted to get to the World Series,he showed up(unlike these future hof members like AROD.)
1 Steve Garvey | 2 Lou Brock | 3 Mike Marshall 4 Johnny Bench | 5 Jimmy Wynn 6 Mike Schmidt| 7 Al Oliver | B8 Joe Morgan Richie Zisk | 10 Willie Stargell Last edited by SCUDSBROTHER : 11-27-2007 at 01:29 PM.
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11-27-2007, 04:56 PM
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11-27-2007, 09:24 PM
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11-27-2007, 09:31 PM
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Do you know how many times this team needed a pinch hit down the right field line from Mota?(in order to win tie games.) Those were mainly pitching teams. Without Garvey...nah...no way.There is no way they win all those division titles.
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11-27-2007, 01:37 PM
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1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award 1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award 1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" The above accomplishments should of got him in.He should of taken Tony Perez' spot.Garvey liked to hump too much(that's why he isn't in...it's not because of what he didn't do on the field.)Before he got caught humping,people voted him to start allstar games 9 times.....Best 1st baseman 9 times in his league,but his accomplishments aren't enough?
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11-27-2007, 04:58 PM
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11-27-2007, 09:03 PM
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11-28-2007, 03:51 PM
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People in New York (I'M SURE) didn't help him in his HOF bid.As you said,people didn't like his personality.Those are 2 of the reasons that a guy with a 130.5 HOF reference ranking(130 is almost a sure HOF inductee) didn't get in.
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11-28-2007, 03:56 PM
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All-Time and Active Leaders This is another Jamesian creation. It attempts to assess how likely (not how deserving) an active player is to make the Hall of Fame Of course this little tidbit escaped you when you used the 130 number
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11-28-2007, 04:04 PM
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Black-Ink Test
All-Time and Active Leaders Named so because league leading numbers are traditionally represented with Boldface type. The definition for the test that I'm using here was written up in Bill James's The Politics of Glory, p. 65-67. The essential point is to measure how often a player led the league in a variety of "important" stats. This method penalizes more recent players as they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8. To get a point you must lead the league in that category. Batting Statistics Four Points for home runs, runs batted in or batting average Three Points for runs scored, hits or slugging percentage Two Points for doubles, walks or stolen bases One Point for games, at bats or triples Pitching Statistics Four Points for wins, earned run average or strikeouts Three Points for innings pitched, win-loss percentage or saves Two Points for complete games, lowest walks per 9 innings or lowest hits per 9 innings One Point for appearances, starts or shutouts Note that Hall of Famers have a wide variety of values for the Black Ink Test, and the method is unforgiving of positional differences, but it is a neat little metric. Gray-Ink Test All-Time and Active Leaders Essentially the same as the Black-Ink above, but it counts appearances in the top ten of the league. For each appearance the values are below. As with the Black Ink, this method penalizes more recent players as they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8. To get a point you must be in the top 10 in the league in that category. Batting Statistics Four Points for home runs, runs batted in or batting average Three Points for runs scored, hits or slugging percentage Two Points for doubles, walks or stolen bases One Point for games, at bats or triples Pitching Statistics Four Points for wins, earned run average or strikeouts Three Points for innings pitched, win-loss percentage or saves Two Points for complete games, lowest walks per 9 innings or lowest hits per 9 innings One Point for appearances, starts or shutouts Since you wanted to use this group of stats I figured I would show the WHOLE story. Steve Garvey's Hall Of Fame standards rating is 31, far below the average hall of famers score of 50 Steve Garvey's Grey Ink rating of 142 is slightly less than the average hall of famer's 144 Steve Garveys' Black Ink rating of 12 is far, far below the average hall of famers score of 27 He does not rate out on any of these scales as a Hall of Famer. What other ratings or stats do you want to use?
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11-28-2007, 04:08 PM
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The only catagories that Steve Garvey ever led the NL in were hits 2 times, games played 6 times, sac flies 1 time and Grounded into Double Plays 2 times. Sound like a Hall of Famer to you?
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11-28-2007, 09:11 PM
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Garvey's Grey Ink rating is 2 points less than the average hall of famer,and that means he'd be in the lower half of all Hall of Famers.Right?..Why do you consider this to be "not rating out as a Hall of Famer on this scale? Ripken has a 116 gray ink #(much less than Garvey's 142)..Do you also say he doesn't rate out on the Gray scale as a hall of famer?I think if you're 2 points less than the average HALL OF FAMER on a scale,then we can use that scale(since you brought it here.)He does indeed rate out as a Hall of Famer on both the HOF MONITOR,AND GRAY INK. Garvey: Gray Ink: Batting - 142 (Average HOFer ≈ 144) HOF Monitor: Batting - 130.5 (Likely HOFer > 100....130=VIRTUAL LOCK) The reason they use the word "likely" versus "deserving" is because "deserving" is a subjective word,and likely is not. You asked me who Garvey looked like(as far as other HOF members go.)HE LED THE LEAGUE IN THE SAME CATEGORIES(HITS,GAMES PLAYED,SAC FLIES) as: RIPKEN Gray Ink: Batting - 116 (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
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11-27-2007, 03:51 PM
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He had a great Cartoon written about him. "..., and Garvey hits another Home Run to win the game. His family is at home plate waiting for him to score." His 500+ children yell, "Hooray Daddy!"
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11-27-2007, 04:12 PM
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11-28-2007, 08:24 AM
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"I don't feel like that I am any better than anybody else" - Paul Newman Last edited by Crown@club : 11-28-2007 at 10:31 AM.
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