SEC games

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Not surprisingly every one of those teams average significantly more points non-conference than they do in conference. Of course their overall numbers are going to suffer when 8 of their 11 games are in conference. If they all scored more than you'd complain about how much the SEC defenses suck. Hell, Mississippi is averaging 14.1 PPG in conference yet threw up 25 points on #1 (for a few more days) Missouri.

Have you seen the SEC nonconference schedule? I went through it game by game in another thread. Not only is the SEC's record against legit non conference teams barely over .500 but they were hammered on more than a few occasions. Missouri is averaging giving up 24 pts per game so it could hardly be considered an offensive explosion. They also managed 10 pts on offense against Memphis, 17 against La Tech and rolled it up against 4-7Southland conference foe NW LA State with 38. If you think that the SEC's strength lies in its offenses you must be watching only Florida and KY.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you think that the SEC's strength lies in its offenses you must be watching only Florida and KY.

I'll watch Florida and Kentucky over Louisville any day of the week.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'll watch Florida and Kentucky over Louisville any day of the week.

The way Louisville got beat by KY (when they simply didn't cover a wide reciever on 4th down and long with 50 seconds to go in the game) was as disgraceful a way to lose as I have ever seen.

You are biased by the way...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The way Louisville got beat by KY (when they simply didn't cover a wide reciever on 4th down and long with 50 seconds to go in the game) was as disgraceful a way to lose as I have ever seen.

You are biased by the way...

For certain. As are you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

For certain. As are you.

I am hardly biased. I speak the truth...you just think it's biased because "You cant handle the truth!!!"

We usually rate conferences in a comparative manner.

What conference is better than the SEC?
(Hint: The answer is: none are better.)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We usually rate conferences in a comparative manner.

What conference is better than the SEC?
(Hint: The answer is: none are better.)

Rating conferences in a comparable manner is not exactly an exact science. Need I pull out the facts again?
Tennesse/Cal L
SC/Clemson L
FL/FL St W
LSU/Va Tech W
Wake/ Vandy L
GA/OK St W
GA/GA Tech W
Aub/S FL L
Aub/K ST W
Miss St/WV L
Mizzou/Ol Miss L
SC/NC W
KY/Lou W
Ala/FSU L

That is the SEC vs the other major conferences
7 wins 7 losses

Hardly dominant or clearly the best

I didnt even bring up UL Monroe

Of course you may choose to ignore the results of actual games and continue to rely on your personal polls and other such ranking tools. It would probably qualify you to be on the Board of the NCAA football playoff committee.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Rating conferences in a comparable manner is not exactly an exact science. Need I pull out the facts again?
Tennesse/Cal L
SC/Clemson L
FL/FL St W
LSU/Va Tech W
Wake/ Vandy L
GA/OK St W
GA/GA Tech W
Aub/S FL L
Aub/K ST W
Miss St/WV L
Mizzou/Ol Miss L
SC/NC W
KY/Lou W
Ala/FSU L

That is the SEC vs the other major conferences
7 wins 7 losses

Hardly dominant or clearly the best

I didnt even bring up UL Monroe

Of course you may choose to ignore the results of actual games and continue to rely on your personal polls and other such ranking tools. It would probably qualify you to be on the Board of the NCAA football playoff committee.

So what conference is better?
The best football I have seen this year is in the SEC.
The best athletes I have seen all around are in the SEC.

And I am a little 12 fan.

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The way Louisville got beat by KY (when they simply didn't cover a wide reciever on 4th down and long with 50 seconds to go in the game) was as disgraceful a way to lose as I have ever seen.

You are biased by the way...

1 play does not a game make.
let's be honest, there is no great team out there. hell, you'd have a hard time finding 5 solid-in-every-phase teams.
playoffs are the only way.
btw, what does it say for the big east when cincy is gonna get stuck in a crappy papa john's bowl? they haven't done a very good job w/ the bowl tie-ins.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

1 play does not a game make.
let's be honest, there is no great team out there. hell, you'd have a hard time finding 5 solid-in-every-phase teams.
playoffs are the only way.
btw, what does it say for the big east when cincy is gonna get stuck in a crappy papa john's bowl? they haven't done a very good job w/ the bowl tie-ins.

It does when it happens like that. Coaches have got the axe for much less. The Big East is relatively new when it comes to having multiple teams at a national level. What is crappy is 6-6 teams playing in bowls.

[otisotisotis]

more reasons for 16 team playoff.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have you seen the SEC nonconference schedule? I went through it game by game in another thread. Not only is the SEC's record against legit non conference teams barely over .500 but they were hammered on more than a few occasions. Missouri is averaging giving up 24 pts per game so it could hardly be considered an offensive explosion. They also managed 10 pts on offense against Memphis, 17 against La Tech and rolled it up against 4-7Southland conference foe NW LA State with 38. If you think that the SEC's strength lies in its offenses you must be watching only Florida and KY.

No doubt their nonconference schedule is disgraceful and in years where the conference is down as a whole I jump all over teams from the SEC going undefeated and then complaining about getting left out of the national championship when they played such a weak nonconference schedule. This year happens to be a very good year for the SEC. I am by no means an SEC fan, not even close. I just think the quality of football in the SEC is head and shoulders ahead of the Big East and the Big Ten this year and it is a joke that we are going to have a National Championship game between two one loss teams from those down conferences when there are two better two loss teams in the SEC (one of which lost twice in 3OT). Hell, if we had a playoff I might even take Florida over any of the teams currently ranked 1-3. They desperately need a playoff to end all of this BS.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No doubt their nonconference schedule is disgraceful and in years where the conference is down as a whole I jump all over teams from the SEC going undefeated and then complaining about getting left out of the national championship when they played such a weak nonconference schedule. This year happens to be a very good year for the SEC. I am by no means an SEC fan, not even close. I just think the quality of football in the SEC is head and shoulders ahead of the Big East and the Big Ten this year and it is a joke that we are going to have a National Championship game between two one loss teams from those down conferences when there are two better two loss teams in the SEC (one of which lost twice in 3OT). Hell, if we had a playoff I might even take Florida over any of the teams currently ranked 1-3. They desperately need a playoff to end all of this BS.

Just tell me why you believe this? Florida is not as good as they usually are, GA is pretty good but not great , LSU is good but has 2 losses which could easily be 4, Tenn is about as good as they usually are, SC is not very good, miss st and Miss are weak as usual, Vandy is down compared to recent years, Arkansas is about where they usually are, Alabama is still weak, KY is better than usual but are still a 5 loss team. I actually think the SEC as a whole is down this year with no really outstanding teams and no out of the ordinary seasons from any of the middle of the road teams. I have already brought up the SEC vs. BCS schools record which is 7-7. There is just no evidence that this is true.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Just tell me why you believe this?

I'll use the Massey Ratings as an example cause they have past years available but the case holds up with any computer ratings out there, and even though computer rankings are often misunderstood they remain the only unbiased way to compare conferences.

This year they are the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf#conf

Hardly a fluke since last year they were also the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...006&mid=6#conf

Now let's compare them to the year when Auburn went undefeated and I disagreed with anyone claiming that it was unfair for an SEC team to do undefeated and not make the National Championship game. And guess what, the SEC sucked that year, they were the #5 conference:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...f&yr=2004#conf

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'll use the Massey Ratings as an example cause they have past years available but the case holds up with any computer ratings out there, and even though computer rankings are often misunderstood they remain the only unbiased way to compare conferences.

This year they are the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf#conf

Hardly a fluke since last year they were also the #1 conference

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...006&mid=6#conf

Now let's compare them to the year when Auburn went undefeated and I disagreed with anyone claiming that it was unfair for an SEC team to do undefeated and not make the National Championship game. And guess what, the SEC sucked that year, they were the #5 conference:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.ph...f&yr=2004#conf

Those rankings are flawed in 2 ways. #1. is it favors the conferences with more teams because #2 It is basing it ratings on all non conference games including 1 AA teams. Therefore a conference with 12 teams will have 6 to 8 more easy wins than the 10 team conferences. And if you are such a big beliver in this system then why are you complaining about it's #1 and #2 ranked teams possibly meeting for the National Championship?

BTW-Missouri is not in the Big Ten

I will try once again.

What conference is better than the SEC????
Name one??? Then I will proceed to break it down.

Anybody on the board. This is the challenge. Name ONE conference better than the SEC???

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I will try once again.

What conference is better than the SEC????
Name one??? Then I will proceed to break it down.

Anybody on the board. This is the challenge. Name ONE conference better than the SEC???

I can't do it. I'm biased, though.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Those rankings are flawed in 2 ways. #1. is it favors the conferences with more teams because #2 It is basing it ratings on all non conference games including 1 AA teams. Therefore a conference with 12 teams will have 6 to 8 more easy wins than the 10 team conferences. And if you are such a big beliver in this system then why are you complaining about it's #1 and #2 ranked teams possibly meeting for the National Championship?

BTW-Missouri is not in the Big Ten

It is factoring in the weakness of the wins over 1AA teams as well to the strength of schedule so it evens out. The one way it is flawed is that to remain a component of the BCS they forced Massey to remove margin of victory from his ratings. I have a feeling his real ratings would not have those teams 1 vs 2. You can really see the difference in the Sagarin where the Rating is what he is required to publish by the BCS while the Pure Points Predictor is actually the best predictor of future games. Interestingly for Pure Points he has Oklahoma at #1 and Florida at #2 which I don't agree with as a national championship game but I could easily see being the finals of a 16 team tournament. Missouri is actually #9 in the Pure Points Predictor.

http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm

I'm already assuming Missouri to lose to Oklahoma next week so they are irrelevant in the national championship picture.