Another NY trainer caught....

Riot · #1 11-13-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

Maybe a stupid question, but were "Milkshakes" legal at any point? Or just something that was not tested for back in the day. At Flats and/or Harness Track.

Yes, milkshakes were legal until the 1990's, and if you go back a few decades, heroin, amphetamines, caffeine, etc. was legal, too.

trifecta124 · #2 11-13-2007, 05:39 PM

Obviously many here seem to have an agenda against Dee Tee Stable using Gary Sciacca as a trainer.

The Bid · #3 11-13-2007, 05:45 PM

Nobody is speaking out about Sciacca training for Deetee, I doubt anyone cares except the people in DT. If they dont mind having a confirmed cheater as a trainer, then they are part of the problem. This issue needs to be addressed, no excuse is good enough. Owners need to make up their minds, you either want this game on the up and up, or you want to continue the bullshit that goes on at sales and on the backside.

Either horseracing gets honest, or it will continue to be a second rate sport, PERIOD

trifecta124 · #4 11-13-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Nobody is speaking out about Sciacca training for Deetee, I doubt anyone cares except the people in DT. If they dont mind having a confirmed cheater as a trainer, then they are part of the problem. This issue needs to be addressed, no excuse is good enough. Owners need to make up their minds, you either want this game on the up and up, or you want to continue the bullshit that goes on at sales and on the backside.

Either horseracing gets honest, or it will continue to be a second rate sport, PERIOD

They can try and make it as honest as they want....It will continue to be a second rate sport. FWIW I guess baseball is a second rate sport as well due to all of the cheating that goes on.

The Bid · #5 11-13-2007, 05:54 PM

Baseball has lost countless fans due to the steroids

Scav · #6 11-13-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Baseball has lost countless fans due to the steroids

I am not so sure about that, they have broken attendence records again this year.

It is obviously completely different from baseball because one has gambling involved as its primary source of income.

Horse racing needs to find its niche, like minor league hockey. The Wolves here in Chicago(actually Rosemont) sell out constantly and are a good team, they are marketed perfectly. I think we just got a field hockey team also that is seeing some good attendence numbers.

fpsoxfan · #7 11-13-2007, 07:03 PM

As with any sport, there has been cheating, and let's face it there has been many different instances:

NASCAR: Cheating with equipment
Baseball: equipment and steroids
Basketball: Steroids and crooked refs
Cycling: Doping allegations and convictions
College Football: Doping, fixed games, boosters giving cash to players, etc.
College Basketball: same as college basketball
NFL: Steroids, any of the above and more

Let's face it, where money is involved there's going to be cheating. The good thing is, these people are being caught and punished. Does it give the sport a black eye? Sure it does. But, what I love is all of the people who can't wait to get on their "Holier than thou rants" about people who are caught. Suddenly we know all there is to know about these people based on one or two articles. Sure, there are some bad people doing bad things, but I bet there are many people in this game that we perceive as "the perfect trainers or owners" that are doing their share of dirty activities as well.
Do I want to see another trainer or owner get busted? No. I wish everyone was on the up and up. But the reality of the situation tells us otherwise.

Cannon Shell · #8 11-13-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

I am not so sure about that, they have broken attendence records again this year.

It is obviously completely different from baseball because one has gambling involved as its primary source of income.

Horse racing needs to find its niche, like minor league hockey. The Wolves here in Chicago(actually Rosemont) sell out constantly and are a good team, they are marketed perfectly. I think we just got a field hockey team also that is seeing some good attendence numbers.

I would tend to think that Horseracing could find better role models than minor or major league hockey.

Have you actually attended the pro field hockey?

Riot · #9 11-13-2007, 05:54 PM

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Owners need to make up their minds, you either want this game on the up and up, or you want to continue the bullshit that goes on at sales and on the backside.

So who are your horses with?

Danzig · #10 11-13-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Nobody is speaking out about Sciacca training for Deetee, I doubt anyone cares except the people in DT. If they dont mind having a confirmed cheater as a trainer, then they are part of the problem. This issue needs to be addressed, no excuse is good enough. Owners need to make up their minds, you either want this game on the up and up, or you want to continue the bullshit that goes on at sales and on the backside.

Either horseracing gets honest, or it will continue to be a second rate sport, PERIOD

until racing gets serious with rule breakers, the sport will be seen as condoning cheating.

freddymo · #11 11-13-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

until racing gets serious with rule breakers, the sport will be seen as condoning cheating.

It's only cheating if you get caught?

Sightseek · #12 11-14-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Nobody is speaking out about Sciacca training for Deetee, I doubt anyone cares except the people in DT. If they dont mind having a confirmed cheater as a trainer, then they are part of the problem. This issue needs to be addressed, no excuse is good enough. Owners need to make up their minds, you either want this game on the up and up, or you want to continue the bullshit that goes on at sales and on the backside.

Either horseracing gets honest, or it will continue to be a second rate sport, PERIOD

Well said.

sumitas · #13 11-14-2007, 09:13 AM

To me, the infraction occurred 4 1/2 years ago while he was out of town. My guess is Mr. Sciacca understands the standards of Dee Tee Stables. I really don't see a problem here.

freddymo · #14 11-14-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

To me, the infraction occurred 4 1/2 years ago while he was out of town. My guess is Mr. Sciacca understands the standards of Dee Tee Stables. I really don't see a problem here.

So if happens again when Mr. Sciacca (maybe we could call him Schultz from now on?) is out of town and your juiced horse wins a race....What are Dee tee's procedures/standards when their horse/trainer get caught cheating? What do you guys do? Fire the trainer and cut checks back for the purse money to a horsepark for retired race horses? Maybe you could then change the name to Earl's Stables?

Danzig · #15 11-13-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by trifecta124

Obviously many here seem to have an agenda against Dee Tee Stable using Gary Sciacca as a trainer.

i don't think that's obvious.
what i do think is obvious is that many see everything in black and white, absolutely no shades of grey at all. i'm more inclined to give someone some leeway when faced with a seemingly unclear, four year old case--while not understanding the constant forgiveness for those who repeatedly break some pretty stringent doping rules.

thing is, until those who can make changes, who can install and enforce rules with real teeth, you'll have people constantly breaking the rules. there's no reason for them not to--there's no real punishment for offending trainers. yet jocks routinely get suspensions that can last YEARS. i know of two different jocks who got five year bans for carrying a buzzer. not using a buzzer. but they had it. hey, absolutely sit them down.
but trainers should have the same types of punishment. after all, a trainer who gets caught in testing didn't just have illegal substances, he actually administered it to the horse--why should that be a lesser crime than what those jocks did?

Cannon Shell · #16 11-13-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, milkshakes were legal until the 1990's, and if you go back a few decades, heroin, amphetamines, caffeine, etc. was legal, too.

I dont believe Heroin or amphetimines were ever considered legal. Detection of them was spotty in years past. One of the reason that the sport never had to deal with this problem back in the golden age was that little could be detected. Many of the stars of the 70's raced on far more than hay, oats and water.