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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

He served 45 days for a banned substance he used up in Saratoga which is ironic. Saratoga being where three horses died on him in the same meet including LEFT BANK. Here's the banned substance story below.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=31402

surely you aren't suggesting something untoward about left bank? he had colicked in the past, and had some of his intestine removed. a repeat attack is what killed him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

surely you aren't suggesting something untoward about left bank? he had colicked in the past, and had some of his intestine removed. a repeat attack is what killed him.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...0&subs=0&arc=1

[golfer]

Left Bank's colic was the first in a grim series of events for Pletcher. Two days after Left Bank departed for his initial surgery, Padua Stables' graded stakes winner Freedom's Daughter succumbed to a case of the intestinal disease colitis X. Nine days after that, the Grade 3-placed colt Warners died after developing laminitis; Pletcher had shipped Warners to a Saratoga clinic when the colt showed signs of intestinal problems similar to those exhibited by Freedom's Daughter.

3 dead horses within 11 days... nothing at least slightly suspicious about that? None died on the track, all due to "illness"...
I'm not guaranteeing, or even advocating foul play, but I would guess there was no deep inquiry into the deaths, by an unbiased group (none exists in racing).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

3 dead horses within 11 days... nothing at least slightly suspicious about that? None died on the track, all due to "illness"...
I'm not guaranteeing, or even advocating foul play, but I would guess there was no deep inquiry into the deaths, by an unbiased group (none exists in racing).

Dont you think that the insurance companies that paid off these claims investigated them?

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont you think that the insurance companies that paid off these claims investigated them?

Fair point, I don't know, but would assume so. I was thinking of an investigative body in racing, who might be better versed in the likelihood of this happening to 3 horses under the care of one trainer in such a short period of time.
If 3 human athletes being coached or trained by one person died in similar circumstances, I believe there would be well-warranted suspicion.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

Fair point, I don't know, but would assume so. I was thinking of an investigative body in racing, who might be better versed in the likelihood of this happening to 3 horses under the care of one trainer in such a short period of time.
If 3 human athletes being coached or trained by one person died in similar circumstances, I believe there would be well-warranted suspicion.

The colic certainly should not come under suspicion because of his previous problems. The colitis X is not that uncommon. Warners brought the most questions because he had recently run a freaky race far out of character and there was never a reason given concerning his death.

Cant really compare this to humans becuase horses die from things that humans easily recover from. Also the fact that he trains over 200 horses makes it less unusual than a guy who has 20 and the same problem.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The colic certainly should not come under suspicion because of his previous problems. The colitis X is not that uncommon. Warners brought the most questions because he had recently run a freaky race far out of character and there was never a reason given concerning his death.

Cant really compare this to humans becuase horses die from things that humans easily recover from. Also the fact that he trains over 200 horses makes it less unusual than a guy who has 20 and the same problem.

They all ran freaky races.

Freedom's Daughter dueled in an insane pace and drew off like a machine and Left Bank's Whitney was a devastating performance. He sat off a Jerkens horse who set a ridiculous pace and destroyed Street Cry among others. Street Cry was coming off his blowout ( and 122 Beyer ) of Congaree in the Foster.

[Danzig]

note also that left banks demise was announced in october. his initial surgery was in august. these three horses didn't die within eleven days of one another. certainly not unheard of however for more than one horse in a barn to suffer an illness at the same time.

but golfer if there is no suggestion of foul play, etc, what are you suggesting about these 'illnesses' as you put it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by golfer

Fair point, I don't know, but would assume so. I was thinking of an investigative body in racing, who might be better versed in the likelihood of this happening to 3 horses under the care of one trainer in such a short period of time.
If 3 human athletes being coached or trained by one person died in similar circumstances, I believe there would be well-warranted suspicion.

I am quite sure the insurance companies would not only demand necropsies by proven competent laboratories (gross, histopathology, toxicologic), but if any results were in question, would have a second or even a third laboratory examine the findings.