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Old 11-03-2007, 08:36 PM
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He's done enough . . . he really has.
For once that comment is true.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:35 PM
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Why is it that when a horse loses it's time to retire him?
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:55 PM
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Why is it that when a horse loses it's time to retire him?
You realize in the 3 races he's run since the Hollywood Gold Cup win, that he hasn't done dick right? Maybe give hima layoff til the Sunshine Millions? Otherwise retire him.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:56 PM
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Why is it that when a horse loses it's time to retire him?
Had this been his first failure to get the distance needed, you would probably have more people on your side of the argument. He's backed up badly in his most recent races. A blind man could even see that his form is in sharp decline. They've tried to shorten him up, he fires a dud. They try to lessen the quality of his foes, he fires a dud.
I think it's tough for people to remember back to just last year, when this horse was winning every G1 thrown his way. Now, he's relegated to G2's and non graded stakes, and not running to his old self's capabilities. Granted, those G1's were all in Cali, but those were the horses put in his way, and he handled them accordingly. This just isn't the case anymore. He lacks his closing kick, his bread and butter. The ability to sit nicely with a tactical trip, and then pounce on the pace setters, leaving them in his dust. When a horse of his calibur loses that, it's time to hang it up. Not enter him in any race just to gather purse money.
In his prime, the boy could run. Noone can ever take that away from him. Could't ship if his life depended on it, but that's how the game goes sometimes. When your entered in a claimer race one year and then accrue as much as he did the next few, what more can we ask of him? Here's to a great California career.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:18 PM
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i've been thinking it's time to give him a break. rest him up a while. he hasn't had time off in a while....
freshen him up. then we'll see.



besides, this sport is too quick to send a horse to retirement. just give him a bit of r and r. then see how he does.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:39 PM
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Forget The Rest, Retire The Old Warrior, Greed Kills!
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:43 PM
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Forget The Rest, Retire The Old Warrior, Greed Kills!

greed? i thought those who retired a horse after about eight starts were greedy??

if the horse is sound, i say again, there is NO reason to retire him. maybe he feels as i do right now, sick to death of where i work. at times it gets that way, hopefully for him and me both, it will pass....

give him a break, then see.

but enough please with the 'greed' comments. people don't get into racing for GREED, they oftentimes get OUT due to the red ink.
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:30 AM
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greed? i thought those who retired a horse after about eight starts were greedy??

if the horse is sound, i say again, there is NO reason to retire him. maybe he feels as i do right now, sick to death of where i work. at times it gets that way, hopefully for him and me both, it will pass....

give him a break, then see.

but enough please with the 'greed' comments. people don't get into racing for GREED, they oftentimes get OUT due to the red ink.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:16 PM
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i've been thinking it's time to give him a break. rest him up a while. he hasn't had time off in a while....
freshen him up. then we'll see.



besides, this sport is too quick to send a horse to retirement. just give him a bit of r and r. then see how he does.
Maybe he's sick of California!
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:18 PM
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Maybe he's sick of California!
mmmmm....nah.
i think he just needs a break. i do!
have the week after t'giving off. if i make it that long. looking forward to 11 days off.
if i don't just walk out first.
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:56 AM
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There are plenty of horses with much worse decline in form than Lava Man that are still running.

He could still like to race and it's just that he's slow.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:57 PM
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Maybe he's sick of California!
Maybe he misses his groom....ironic his decline started after his grooms tragic accident. Horses can be creatures of habit.

I hope he gets a good rest and comes back his old self. Doesn't matter to me at all that he only loves to race in Cal.
If not he will always be a very special horse and he earned a great retirement.
I don't believe his owners would ever put him in for a claim, maybe optional claiming and not put a tag on him, but I believe they will stand by this horse.
I will always be a Lava Man fan.
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Old 11-04-2007, 03:22 PM
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I too hope to see him out of the claim game. He has a big fan base. It would break my heart to see him downgraded. After a good rest, just see if he bounces back. If not...I'm thinking lead pony...at least he will still be in track atmosphere.
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