George Washington???

sumitas · #1 10-27-2007, 05:23 PM

He was retired. I guess Coolmore must be short of horses or money to bring him back like they did.

Danzig · #2 10-27-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

He was retired. I guess Coolmore must be short of horses or money to bring him back like they did.

he was having fertility problems. only got a handful of mares in foal.
where have you been?

short of money, gimme a break.

sumitas · #3 10-27-2007, 05:27 PM

get real. he was retired and Coolemore's greed makes them wring every last dime out of the horse. he's a turf horse and they bring him over here to run in the slop ? shame on Coolemore.

Danzig · #4 10-27-2007, 05:29 PM

sumitas, what is your problem? everyone knows about his fertility issues, the rush to retirement of their 3 yo by danehill to take his place, and george's return to the track.
he ran in the classic a year ago, none the worse for wear. it's what racehorses do.

maybe you should watch figure skating instead?

miraja2 · #5 10-27-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

sumitas, what is your problem? everyone knows about his fertility issues, the rush to retirement of their 3 yo by danehill to take his place, and george's return to the track.
he ran in the classic a year ago, none the worse for wear. it's what racehorses do.

maybe you should watch figure skating instead?

Once they switch to synthetic ice instead of the real thing....count him in.

sumitas · #6 10-27-2007, 05:31 PM

you must be in management, soaking every last ounce of energy out of your wage slaves. go work for coolemore. they exploit every last dying breath out of their horses. something you are very comfortable with, it seems.

Danzig · #7 10-27-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

you must be in management, soaking every last ounce of energy out of your wage slaves. go work for coolemore. they exploit every last dying breath out of their horses. something you are very comfortable with, it seems.

lol

to quote peter from family guy

'you drunk'

sumitas · #8 10-27-2007, 05:33 PM

go whip some people and release your tension grrrrl

richard burch · #9 10-27-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

get real. he was retired and Coolemore's greed makes them wring every last dime out of the horse. he's a turf horse and they bring him over here to run in the slop ? shame on Coolemore.

finally...

hockey2315 · #10 10-28-2007, 12:32 AM

I am SO mad right now. . . Those greedy #$@%^ had no business racing George at all this year after he was retired and came back so dull. . . This just shows how backwards the industry has gotten with the whole racing to breed/breeding to race thing. They took a very promising horse out of racing in his prime in Holy Roman Emperor just so they could suck some money out of somewhere. Then since George wasn't worth anything in the shed anymore they decided to try to squeeze a few more bucks out of him on the track. What was the point of even running him in the Classic where he clearly had no shot?! Not to help his stud fee. . . Not to do right by the horse. . . And is Kinane really that clueless that he rode GW hard the whole race when something was clearly wrong? Must have been that fifth place money. . . My friend, who's more of a casual fan, said to me after the races something to the effect of "I can't wait to see these horses race next time" to which I replied; "You won't." How is the sport supposed to attract fans when the big stars never last for more than a year?

Seattleallstar · #11 10-28-2007, 12:34 AM

I had no problem with GW running in the race, I just wish they kept him retired when he came up lame the first time around

Danzig · #12 10-28-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I am SO mad right now. . . Those greedy #$@%^ had no business racing George at all this year after he was retired and came back so dull. . . This just shows how backwards the industry has gotten with the whole racing to breed/breeding to race thing. They took a very promising horse out of racing in his prime in Holy Roman Emperor just so they could suck some money out of somewhere. Then since George wasn't worth anything in the shed anymore they decided to try to squeeze a few more bucks out of him on the track. What was the point of even running him in the Classic where he clearly had no shot?! Not to help his stud fee. . . Not to do right by the horse. . . And is Kinane really that clueless that he rode GW hard the whole race when something was clearly wrong? Must have been that fifth place money. . . My friend, who's more of a casual fan, said to me after the races something to the effect of "I can't wait to see these horses race next time" to which I replied; "You won't." How is the sport supposed to attract fans when the big stars never last for more than a year?

this ending makes no sense in the context of your post as a whole. you come on and complain because they ran a horse that had been retired at three, and bring him back, only to lose him. but then you want your stars around longer. which is it? or do you only want them to stay longer if they somehow have a crystal ball to tell them which horses will not take a bad step, and which will? as for kinane, that horse took a bad step late in the race. he wasn't lame all the way around. that jock is not at fault, nor is coolmore.

Linny · #13 10-28-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I am SO mad right now. . . Those greedy #$@%^ had no business racing George at all this year
"You won't." How is the sport supposed to attract fans when the big stars never last for more than a year?

You contadict yourself. On one hand racing him this season is "greedy" yet you later lament the early retirements. Because they brought GW back for reasons you felt were "greedy" they are %*$@(*&'s but had they left him in training at 4 and come back to the BCC they'd have been "sporting." By your definition all owners are greedy. They race to make money. It's the nature of the game.
If SS or HS is sterile and returned to the track next season are the owners greedy or sporting? The net result is a 4yo race horse, the fact that he spent an unsuccessful seaon in the shed before returning to the track is irrelevant. Should we be happy or angry?

I really didn't see why he was running where he was. It made no sense to me, but I have no reason to think that Coolmore sent "GW to his doom" with any intent other than his running well.

NoChanceToDance · #14 10-28-2007, 05:10 AM

I don't know what to say. Other that we have lost a very talented horse.

Was it anyone's fault? We don't know and we never will.

My honest opinion? I was surprised when they said they were running in the Classic when they decided to bypass what seemed like an easy Champion Stakes at Newmarket last weekened (i think he would have won that).

Was it the sloppy surface that caused this? Again, we don't know. It certainly didn't help. Now, i've only been watching American racing for about three years, but i am failing to think of a time where i have seen a dirt track looking as bad as that (there, probably have been, but i've never seen one).

What worries me is that the actual injury was an open fracture to BOTH sesamoid bones. I'm no vet, but that isn't a common injury. It just makes people ask questions.

I don't blame Coolmore for bringing him back to the track after a failed time at stud. What else were they going to do with him? However, i didn't agree that they decided to send him back for the classic.

Can anyone tell me, what are the different characteristics of a fast and sloppy dirt track? What does it feel like to ride on? Other than the kickback, is it much different or almost the same? He was under pressure after a few furlongs, was he feeling something or was he just not good enough? For a horse that travels so well in his races and travelled so easily in the Classic last year that was surprising.

Truth is, i'm struggling to come to terms with the fact he is gone. He deserved so much more than this. He gave me one of the best days of my life when he won the 2,000 Guineas and i got to spend a bit of time with him and Horatio Nelson after the race along with some of the staff at Aidan's. My two favourite horses over the last few years and they both die on the track. How unlucky can you get.

I just feel sorry for Aidan and his staff right now. They all treated George like he was a king. He was a real character, he wasn't an easy horse to be around, but that is why they loved him.

I can understand why people are trying to find someone to blame, it's just natural. Do i think there is anyone or anything that should be blamed? I'm not sure. One thing i will say is that brave decisions are often ones that go with huge risk.

RIP George, thanks for the memories.

Danzig · #15 10-28-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I don't know what to say. Other that we have lost a very talented horse.

Was it anyone's fault? We don't know and we never will.

My honest opinion? I was surprised when they said they were running in the Classic when they decided to bypass what seemed like an easy Champion Stakes at Newmarket last weekened (i think he would have won that).

Was it the sloppy surface that caused this? Again, we don't know. It certainly didn't help. Now, i've only been watching American racing for about three years, but i am failing to think of a time where i have seen a dirt track looking as bad as that (there, probably have been, but i've never seen one).

What worries me is that the actual injury was an open fracture to BOTH sesamoid bones. I'm no vet, but that isn't a common injury. It just makes people ask questions.

I don't blame Coolmore for bringing him back to the track after a failed time at stud. What else were they going to do with him? However, i didn't agree that they decided to send him back for the classic.

Can anyone tell me, what are the different characteristics of a fast and sloppy dirt track? What does it feel like to ride on? Other than the kickback, is it much different or almost the same? He was under pressure after a few furlongs, was he feeling something or was he just not good enough? For a horse that travels so well in his races and travelled so easily in the Classic last year that was surprising.

Truth is, i'm struggling to come to terms with the fact he is gone. He deserved so much more than this. He gave me one of the best days of my life when he won the 2,000 Guineas and i got to spend a bit of time with him and Horatio Nelson after the race along with some of the staff at Aidan's. My two favourite horses over the last few years and they both die on the track. How unlucky can you get.

I just feel sorry for Aidan and his staff right now. They all treated George like he was a king. He was a real character, he wasn't an easy horse to be around, but that is why they loved him.

I can understand why people are trying to find someone to blame, it's just natural. Do i think there is anyone or anything that should be blamed? I'm not sure. One thing i will say is that brave decisions are often ones that go with huge risk.

RIP George, thanks for the memories.

it's not uncommon. don't forget teuflesberg just had surgery to repair both sesamoids in his leg. they think the second was fractured when he escaped the handlers while waiting for the ambulance.
the reason george was euthanized immediately was that he dislocated the joint, as well as suffering an open wound. the dislocation cut off blood supply, and of course the opening introduced dirt to the wound. either one of the two would mean no chance for the horse.

but i do know how you feel about losing george yesterday. there are some big pine island fans on this board, we went thru this last year.

Cajungator26 · #16 10-28-2007, 09:05 AM

I'll be completely honest and say that this kind of thing is taking its toll on me. Too many losses on the track this year and it's not good for the sport.

RIP George.

RolloTomasi · #17 10-28-2007, 09:15 AM

as for kinane, that horse took a bad step late in the race. he wasn't lame all the way around.

George Washington was clearly uncomfortable down the backstretch, and it was noted by Trevor Denman during the race call. It's hard to determine if was injured at that point or he simply wasn't handling the track. I suppose, given the conditions, that Kinane supposed the latter.

However, either way, he was completely out of contention and going nowhere before the far turn, why didn't he just pull up?

Merlinsky · #18 10-27-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he was having fertility problems. only got a handful of mares in foal.

I heard 6. Is that accurate? At least we have some of him to carry on. You know, Domino only had 14 offspring before his untimely loss as a stallion. Doesn't mean the influence is gone.

Danzig · #19 10-27-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I heard 6. Is that accurate? At least we have some of him to carry on. You know, Domino only had 14 offspring before his untimely loss as a stallion. Doesn't mean the influence is gone.

yeah, old crazy domino. they had to blindfold him to get his jock on his back, domino despised the guy. thank goodness for broad brush, and now his son Include, to keep the domino line going.