BC: Turf; FMT; Mile (PP's/Odds)

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was kind of hoping the person who called people stupid would reply although I appreciate the response. I don't really know, nor care if he is overrated. I am under the opinion that jocks mean very little and do more harm than good. I don't see Dettori enough to have an opinion on him.

There are certain jocks over here, as i'm sure there are in America, where as a fan/punter, you know that he/she will give it their all and try their hardest on every horse. Frankie isn't one of these jockeys. He cost one of my friends a nice exacta payout the other day when he stopped riding his mount which cost him second place.

He earns so much money outside racing that he doesn't really care. He doesn't care about travelling to the races any great distance, if he doesn't really want to, he won't. People over here who don't follow racing just think Dettori is a good jock because he is probably the only one they have heard of.

People will remember the magnificent seven he did at Ascot, but he was on by far the best horses in most of those races and got very lucky with some of the trips he got through the races.

I've seen him mess up so many times, whethet it's through arrogance or lack of ability i couldn't be sure, but he isn't the sort of jockey you could depend on to get a winner if you really need one.

[brockguy]

I agree that Frankie isnt the best jock riding in Europe, but at a massive international event like the Breeders Cup, he will be fine. I would personally have preferred Kinane but if Frankie can ride him like he did Red Rocks last year, Ill take that..

[hockey2315]

Can one of you Europeans please rank the big jockeys over there for us?

Thanks. . .

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Can one of you Europeans please rank the big jockeys over there for us?

Thanks. . .

Everyone will have their own opinions, so you will get different lists, but my top ten would go something like this.

1. Ryan Moore
2. Mick Kinane
3. Kieren Fallon
4. Kerrin McEvoy
5. Ted Durcan
6. Johnny Murtagh
7. Declan McDonagh
8. Stephane Pasquier
9. Kevin Manning
10. Pat Smullen

[hockey2315]

Dettori's not even in the top 10? What about Soumillon?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Dettori's not even in the top 10? What about Soumillon?

Soumillon is rather like dettori, he's a jockey you can't depend on, he gets it wrong so many times. Dettori, soumillon and spencer are all quite similar in my opinion.

[brockguy]

you would enjoy me and my friends almost weekly slagging off of Manning.. He is terrible but has got the ultimate job security..

For me, Id have McEvoy, Fallon, Kinane, Murtagh as the top echelon of Euro (well one is Aussie) jocks