Time to stop the open funding of terrorism!

[Downthestretch55]

[quote=SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Unfortunately for you ... everyone else knows that when you resort to name-calling and personal attacks ... you're admitting that you've lost the argument.

Your knowledge of history seems to be limited ... so I'll provide a list of places where the United States defeated tyranny and brought about freedom and democracy.

• We defeated the murderous, genocidal National Socialists ... and helped Germany and Austria become free democracies. In doing so ... we liberated the peoples of France, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, and Norway from the brutal National Socialist regime.

• We defeated the murderous Socialist Workers Movement ... and helped Italy to become a free democracy.

• We defeated the murderous, genocidal Shinto Imperialists ... and helped Japan become a free democracy. In doing so ... we liberated China, Korea, The Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, and Indonesia from their brutal rule.

• We defeated mass-murdering Soviet Communism ... and in doing so liberated Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan from its brutal rule ... and also liberated Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Hungary ... most of which are now free democracies.

• We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in Spain, South Korea, Taiwan, Nicarague, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Cambodia, and The Phillipines ... all of which are now free democracies.

• We supported democratic movements in South Africa, Haiti, and Rhodesia ... all of which became free democracies ... though the latter two have slid backwards since.

• We defeated the murderous, totalitarian Baathist rule in Iraq ... and helped establish a free democracy.

• We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Angola ... which so far have been unsuccessful in establishing free democracies.

• At no point have we used our military superiority to conquer and subjugate anyone.

boy's got some wicked cut-n-paste skiils, that I'll give him.

LMFAO!!!!!
I'm still trying to figure out the "free democracy" in Iraq. My guess is that the
site he pasted from doesn't include "civil war" in their double-speak.
Also, notice no mention of Cambodia. Thank you Tricky D ick.

[somerfrost]

[quote=Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

LMFAO!!!!!
I'm still trying to figure out the "free democracy" in Iraq. My guess is that the
site he pasted from doesn't include "civil war" in their double-speak.
Also, notice no mention of Cambodia. Thank you Tricky D ick.

Well, I spent some time in the jungles of Cambodia, believe me...anything is better than Pol Pot and his minions!

[Downthestretch55]

[quote=somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, I spent some time in the jungles of Cambodia, believe me...anything is better than Pol Pot and his minions!

Agree Somerfrost.
I was responding to the "democracies" that were set up by the USA.
Pol Pot was only one that was needlessly created.
The list would indeed be very long if I went back to Dulles and the United Fruit Company in Central America, not including Panama more recently.
In Africa, BB is correct. Again the failures are cited.
In the Asia, wow! Marcos and Aquino anyone? How about Indonesia?
The CIA's overthrow of Allende in Chile, (South America).

Holy cow! Is there a question as to why the USA is held suspect by so many on this planet? The credibility gets thinner and thinner despite the right-wing propagandist's claims.
Spin, spin, spin...just like the planet.
Only difference is one is based on physical reality, the other is based on an artificial one.

[quote=somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, I spent some time in the jungles of Cambodia, believe me...anything is better than Pol Pot and his minions!

Somer ... I'm sure you can understand why I have certain posters on my Ignore List ... but your response to one of them made his post visible to me ... and his continued ignorance as blatant as ever.

I'm sure you noticed that Cambodia clearly appears in my fifth bullet point ... but someone who is filled with hate and rage is much less likely to see what's there.

And isn't it interesting ... that I mentioned 44 countries whose freedom has been greatly enhanced by the United States ... and that poster can only resort to spouting falsehoods about two of them ... while completely ignoring the other 42?

And thanks for your service ... it's a shame we weren't able to rescue the Cambodian people the way we rescued billions of others. But happily ... Cambodia has made major strides toward freedom since the murderous communists were ousted ... and is now considered to be "Mostly Free" in the latest Wall Street Journal evaluation.

[SentToStud]

[quote=Bold Brooklynite]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Somer ... I'm sure you can understand why I have certain posters on my Ignore List ... but your response to one of them made his post visible to me ... and his continued ignorance as blatant as ever.

I'm sure you noticed that Cambodia clearly appears in my fifth bullet point ... but someone who is filled with hate and rage is much less likely to see what's there.

And isn't it interesting ... that I mentioned 44 countries whose freedom has been greatly enhanced by the United States ... and that poster can only resort to spouting falsehoods about two of them ... while completely ignoring the other 42?

And thanks for your service ... it's a shame we weren't able to rescue the Cambodian people the way we rescued billions of others. But happily ... Cambodia has made major strides toward freedom since the murderous communists were ousted ... and is now considered to be "Mostly Free" in the latest Wall Street Journal evaluation.

how do i out you on my ignore list?

[dalakhani]

[quote=Bold Brooklynite]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Somer ... I'm sure you can understand why I have certain posters on my Ignore List ... but your response to one of them made his post visible to me ... and his continued ignorance as blatant as ever.

I'm sure you noticed that Cambodia clearly appears in my fifth bullet point ... but someone who is filled with hate and rage is much less likely to see what's there.

And isn't it interesting ... that I mentioned 44 countries whose freedom has been greatly enhanced by the United States ... and that poster can only resort to spouting falsehoods about two of them ... while completely ignoring the other 42?

And thanks for your service ... it's a shame we weren't able to rescue the Cambodian people the way we rescued billions of others. But happily ... Cambodia has made major strides toward freedom since the murderous communists were ousted ... and is now considered to be "Mostly Free" in the latest Wall Street Journal evaluation.

What have you ever rescued?

The US created the instability in Cambodia. You really do need to read your history books.

As for the Phillipines, the US installed Marcos and supported him for close to 30 years. That was the most corrupt and tyrranical eras in phillipino history. Where do you get your info?

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

What have you ever rescued?

The US created the instability in Cambodia. You really do need to read your history books.

As for the Phillipines, the US installed Marcos and supported him for close to 30 years. That was the most corrupt and tyrranical eras in phillipino history. Where do you get your info?

You're confusing strategies with objectives.

The strategies we used were obviously successful ... because the objective was achieved ... today The Phillipines is a free, democratic country.

The same applies to all the other countries I listed ... many different strategies were employed ... and nearly all of them achieved their objectives.

And by the way ... I noticed your phraseology ... "what have YOU ever rescued?" Does that mean that you don't consider yourself to be one of US?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You're confusing strategies with objectives.

The strategies we used were obviously successful ... because the objective was achieved ... today The Phillipines is a free, democratic country.

The same applies to all the other countries I listed ... many different strategies were employed ... and nearly all of them achieved their objectives.

And by the way ... I noticed your phraseology ... "what have YOU ever rescued?" Does that mean that you don't consider yourself to be one of US?

Look at the bolded statement. A man that obviously has SOME intelligence cant be attempting to argue a subject that he knows so little about. Read up and then talk to me.

No i meant personally rescued. Are or were you military or red cross or any of that?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Are or were you military or red cross or any of that?

Yes ... I was.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Look at the bolded statement. A man that obviously has SOME intelligence cant be attempting to argue a subject that he knows so little about. Read up and then talk to me.

The Phillipines has backslid a great deal from where it was a few years ago ... just as Zimbabwe and Haiti have.

The U.S. helped it become free and democratic... their backsliding is their own doing.

Any other nitpicks?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Look at the bolded statement. A man that obviously has SOME intelligence cant be attempting to argue a subject that he knows so little about. Read up and then talk to me.

No i meant personally rescued. Are or were you military or red cross or any of that?

Dala,
Since I'm on his "ignore"...and that's just dandy with me, read up a few posts to the one where he states, "I am confused'.

For what it's worth, "One who argues with a fool, only demonstrates that he is also one."

Good luck, Dala!

[dalakhani]

[quote=somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, I spent some time in the jungles of Cambodia, believe me...anything is better than Pol Pot and his minions!

and if this were truly the case, you would know that it was the Vietnamese that liberated Cambodia from Pol Pot. You would also know that it was the illegal US bombing of Cambodia that helped allow Pol Pot to assume control in the first place.

Yes, the "balance of the universe" and the "fight against evil".

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

and if this were truly the case, you would know that it was the Vietnamese that liberated Cambodia from Pol Pot. You would also know that it was the illegal US bombing of Cambodia that helped allow Pol Pot to assume control in the first place.

Yes, the "balance of the universe" and the "fight against evil".

I mentioned 44 countries in my response to your earlier post ... and asked you a simple, direct question at the end of it.

It seems you've chosen to skip over it ... and not respond to it. That's fine ... it implies that you're in agreement with its contents ... and I applaud your judgment.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Bold Brooklynite]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I mentioned 44 countries in my response to your earlier post ... and asked you a simple, direct question at the end of it.

It seems you've chosen to skip over it ... and not respond to it. That's fine ... it implies that you're in agreement with its contents ... and I applaud your judgment.

Not in agreement with the contents of your entire paragraph BUT I am in agreement with the last sentence. I do agree that the US HAS throughout our history done more for people of other lands than any other empire that i know of. But...It has also done so much to hurt others for her own selfish purposes.

Do I have to list off all of the countries that ended up being ponds in the US global chess match?

And why didnt you answer me on cambodia or the phillipines...or iran or iraq for that matter?

Didnt we install Marcos, diem, the shah AND saddam? Didnt we? Thought so.