BC: Classic (PP's/Odds)

Kasept · #1 10-16-2007, 01:48 PM

Classic

11th (5:35) Breeders' Cup Classic Powered by Dodge (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $5,000,000

1 1 Lawyer Ron Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126 LA 5-2
2 2 Street Sense Borel C H Nafzger Carl A 121 L 3-1
3 3 Any Given Saturday Gomez G K Pletcher Todd A 121 LA 4-1
4 4 Curlin Albarado R J Asmussen Steven M 121 L 3-1
5 5 George Washington (IRE) Kinane M J O'Brien Aidan P 126 L 20-1
6 6 Awesome Gem Flores D R Dollase Craig 126 L 30-1
7 7 Diamond Stripes Velasquez C Dutrow, Jr. R E 126 L 15-1
8 8 Hard Spun Pino M G Jones J Larry 121 LA 8-1
9 9 Tiago Smith M E Shirreffs John 121 LA 12-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta

nomad · #2 10-17-2007, 12:25 AM

You're doing a good job.

smuthg · #3 10-17-2007, 09:38 AM

How are there only NINE horses pre-entered for the Classic???

Cannon Shell · #4 10-17-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by smuthg

How are there only NINE horses pre-entered for the Classic???

Who is missing?

NTamm1215 · #5 10-17-2007, 09:49 AM

Only eight will go and no one is missing in my opinion.

NT

Cannon Shell · #6 10-17-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As DrugS called weeks ago (pains me to admit it) there really is very little speed in there. If Lawyer Ron and Velazquez let Hard Spun roll up front, he could be long gone. It completely changes my way of thinking for the race. Kind of sad that a $5 million race here can attract only 9 entrants.

Who is missing?

You do understand that it costs a lot of money to run in a race like this and why would you want to pay all that money to get drilled?

Cannon Shell · #7 10-17-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Off of the top of my head I don't know who is missing. I guess I just figured if you'd nominate to the Dirt Mile, why not take a crack at the Classic. Wanderin Boy, Gottcha Gold, Corinthian, etc, These are horses we would have seen in the Classic before this year.

I realize it's expensive to run. But thanks.

If it were no entry fee or something small like $10k you may see a few more guys take flyers.

Cannon Shell · #8 10-17-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Isn't there an entry fee for the Dirt Mile also?

Yeah but much smaller

Cannon Shell · #9 10-17-2007, 11:11 AM

The horses you mentioned will have a whole lot better chance at the mile paying 50k to enter to run for 2 mill than they would paying 125k to run for 5 mill with almost no chance to hit the board.

#10 10-17-2007, 11:11 AM

Over/Under # of horses in the gate

6

Cannon Shell · #11 10-17-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Over/Under # of horses in the gate

6

I'll take over...7

#12 10-17-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'll take over...7

Any Given Saturday scratches and Diamond Stripes to the mile? That sounds about right.

miraja2 · #13 10-17-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As DrugS called weeks ago (pains me to admit it) there really is very little speed in there. If Lawyer Ron and Velazquez let Hard Spun roll up front, he could be long gone. It completely changes my way of thinking for the race. Kind of sad that a $5 million race here can attract only 9 entrants.

The lack of speed obviously helps Hard Spun, but try to look at the bright side man.
It just means less horses to get in Calvin's way when he brings Street Sense up the rail to win.
Even with the lack of early pace, I am still leaning toward a Curlin/Street Sense exacta box at this point.

Cannon Shell · #14 10-17-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Any Given Saturday scratches and Diamond Stripes to the mile? That sounds about right.

Frankel is training AGS now?

Bigsmc · #15 10-17-2007, 11:43 AM

Classic Starters

1984 - 8
85 - 8
86 - 11
87 - 12
88 - 9
89 - 8
90 - 14
91 - 11
92 - 14
93 - 13
94 - 14
95 - 11
96 - 13
97 - 9
98 - 10
99 - 14
00 - 13
01 - 11
02 - 12
03 - 10
04 - 13
05 - 13
06 - 13

Average number of Classic starters = 11.48

NoChanceToDance · #16 10-17-2007, 12:19 PM

I knew there has been method in my madness in thinking that Hard Spun could get it soft on the lead and be away and gone. If Pino rides a proper race he could catch the others napping with the shorter stratch at Monmouth. Even DaHoss is sort of coming round to this now!!

Hard Spun was a cracking bet at 20/1 last week. Why didn't i take it.

Hard Spun / AGS for me. Curlin closing far to late into third.

Street Sense doesn't hit the board.

miraja2 · #17 10-17-2007, 12:20 PM

That is a good point Bigs. The 1989 Classic had only 8 starters and a couple of big 3yos, kind of like this year. Anybody know if that race turned out to be a memorable one?
Now, clearly nobody in this race is in the same league as Sunday Silence and Easy Goer, but a small field doesn't have to mean a bad race.

AeWingnut · #18 10-17-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who is missing?

CP West

on another note...

I've like Street Sense since the BC Juvenile. (had a nice win bet and hit the trifecta)

I just don't think there is enough in this race to get him there. The race will be decided on the back stretch and won by the 1/16th pole. [Of course this is before I see the PPs.]

As far as the cost.. there is more to gain than the $5mil purse. There is stud fees. I know they already made their deals ahead of time but you know the other people involved would love to say, "winner of BC Juvenile/Classic"
I would think Darley or whoever would pay the fees if they could set the race up for their future stud.

but I think a lot of things that never happen.

miraja2 · #19 10-17-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I knew there has been method in my madness in thinking that Hard Spun could get it soft on the lead and be away and gone. If Pino rides a proper race he could catch the others napping with the shorter stratch at Monmouth. Even DaHoss is sort of coming round to this now!!

Hard Spun was a cracking bet at 20/1 last week. Why didn't i take it.

Hard Spun / AGS for me. Curlin closing far to late into third.

Street Sense doesn't hit the board.

Am I the only one who remembers that Hard Spun had things all his own way on the front end the last time he met Street Sense going 10f on dirt? Who won that one?
If the track has a ridiculous bias like it did earlier this year that will be one thing, but if they get it fair, I don't like Hard Spun and/or Lawyer Ron. If it is a merry-go-round, they could be the exacta.

SniperSB23 · #20 10-17-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Off of the top of my head I don't know who is missing. I guess I just figured if you'd nominate to the Dirt Mile, why not take a crack at the Classic. Wanderin Boy, Gottcha Gold, Corinthian, etc, These are horses we would have seen in the Classic before this year.

I realize it's expensive to run. But thanks.

Wanderin Boy was in the same situation last year and opted to run in a non-BC stakes on the undercard instead. In year's past you probably would have just seen Corinthian and Gotcha Gold rest for the Cigar Mile instead of going in the Classic.