CRIST: (Updated: Bruno proposal)

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I guess if the new guys make some bad calls in the future all we need to do is get rid of them as well and start over. is NYRA a catholic non profit? Just kidding.

Now that's funny..

This is the type of drama you get when the organization you want to give a 30 YR franchise to is bankrupt and has a history of corruption.

30 yrs is ridiculous.

I wonder if a few people on this site may have an interest in seeing NYRA get the contract. LOL

[parsixfarms]

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

The issue is what regulatory world does the controlling business have to exist in? Once that is determined you can develop a business model. If the rules are always changing its tough to get serious talent involved

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The issue is what regulatory world does the controlling business have to exist in? Once that is determined you can develop a business model. If the rules are always changing its tough to get serious talent involved

Based on what's going on here in Albany, I think it's fair to say that the regulatory world in which NY racing is going to operate is not going to change anytime soon - which means that a broken model in which the state grabs too much $$ and the OTBs are essentially preferred (no production cost) competitors of the tracks will remain unfixed. I'm surprised that you recognize the importance of the racing model but seemingly put blinders on when it comes to recognizing that the broken model is why NYRA has been losing money over the past few years.

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Based on what's going on here in Albany, I think it's fair to say that the regulatory world in which NY racing is going to operate is not going to change anytime soon - which means that a broken in which the state grabs too much $$ and the OTBs are essentially preferred (no production cost) competitors of the tracks will remain unfixed. I'm surprised that you recognize the importance of the racing but seemingly put blinders on when it comes to recognizing that the broken is why NYRA has been losing money over the past few years.

Well why is NYRA fighting so hard for a business and that is impossible to make work? Give it up. This is all about money and people at NYRA and in the government love the status quo. They are all making money and taking care of their friends at the taxpayers expense.

[viscount26]

[quote=DaHoss9698]It's quite a meeting of the minds when Freddy and Benevolous get together.

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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's quite a meeting of the minds when Freddy and Benevolous get together.













Not really.

i just have to try to remember in future that what cannon does is 'trainering'.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Based on what's going on here in Albany, I think it's fair to say that the regulatory world in which NY racing is going to operate is not going to change anytime soon - which means that a broken model in which the state grabs too much $$ and the OTBs are essentially preferred (no production cost) competitors of the tracks will remain unfixed. I'm surprised that you recognize the importance of the racing model but seemingly put blinders on when it comes to recognizing that the broken model is why NYRA has been losing money over the past few years.

NYRA is broke isn't getting slot money anytime soon and should be put down

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

NYRA can run it. Just 5 years at a time. You give anyone 30 years and by year 3 the corruption will set it. Why do you think we elect a president every 4 years, not 30 years. There has to be some accountability and NYRA wants no part of being accountable. They just want jobs for friends and to have their own little playground. No gambling entity should be non-profit though. What will happen is they will always find a way to spend any excess dollars, and usually on contracts for their friends.

[freddymo]

well said

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

NYRA can run it. Just 5 years at a time. You give anyone 30 years and by year 3 the corruption will set it. Why do you think we elect a president every 4 years, not 30 years. There has to be some accountability and NYRA wants no part of being accountable. They just want jobs for friends and to have their own little playground. No gambling entity should be non-profit though. What will happen is they will always find a way to spend any excess dollars, and usually on contracts for their friends.

Right about now,I sure wish we elected a President every 3 years.....It will soon be announced that Turkey owns NYRA,and any mouthing off about it will not be tolerated by these hardballers.What was the Met Mile is now to be called The Ataturk Mile.The Belmont is now going to be called the Ankara Derby.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

I guess our friends both "Freddy Mo" & "Benevolus" can't answer this!
I said it once and I'll say it again; The on-track race product that NYRA puts forth is the best anywhere. All others interested in the franchise are ONLY interested in the slots side...our friends above must not be true fans of thoroughbred racing or they would see this. What do the others know about running thoroughbred racing.....PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS, NYRA DETRACTORS!

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I guess our friends both "Freddy Mo" & "Benevolus" can't answer this!
I said it once and I'll say it again; The on-track race product that NYRA puts forth is the best anywhere. All others interested in the franchise are ONLY interested in the slots side...our friends above must not be true fans of thoroughbred racing or they would see this. What do the others know about running thoroughbred racing.....PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS, NYRA DETRACTORS!

That's the problem. Without the Saratoga meet included, the product has been mediocre at best.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

That's the problem. Without the Saratoga meet included, the product has been mediocre at best.

But, other than Churchill or Keeneland....where's it been better?
The day to - day meets in California & Florida suck, it's only good on weekends and stake days there.

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

But, other than Churchill or Keeneland....where's it been better?
The day to - day meets in California & Florida suck, it's only good on weekends and stake days there.

The product is too diluted. Too many tracks and too many unbettable races just to fill the standard 9 or 10 race card.

I'd like to see a 3 or 4 day race week with 6 races on the weekdays and maybe 8 races at most on the weekend for each track. There simply aren't enough quality horses to warrant 9 or 10 races a day. Because of this ridiculous industry standard we have practically been assaulted with turf sprint after turf sprint after turf sprint. ENOUGH!! It's madness!!

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

But, other than Churchill or Keeneland....where's it been better?
The day to - day meets in California & Florida suck, it's only good on weekends and stake days there.

Keeneland is run by a nonprofit organization of local breedes that spends what would be its profit on facilities for fans and horsemen as well as charitable donations.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I guess our friends both "Freddy Mo" & "Benevolus" can't answer this!
I said it once and I'll say it again; The on-track race product that NYRA puts forth is the best anywhere. All others interested in the franchise are ONLY interested in the slots side...our friends above must not be true fans of thoroughbred racing or they would see this. What do the others know about running thoroughbred racing.....PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS, NYRA DETRACTORS!

I think Kirkorian's group would have been a good choice. And in addition to running the slots, the racing side (NYRA or whomever) would have benefited from having a successful gaming executive from outside the NYRA 'family' running racing, or at least having a significant presence on the financial oversight side.

These top gaming firms (Kirkorian/MGM and Wynn, etc) are arguably far more astute and vigorous at financial management than anyone NYRA has ever had in place.

That's the difference between a non-profit and firms like Wynn/MGM. They know how to make money and are VERY good at watching the store.

The kind of thing that happened a few years ago when NYRA non-bid a 900k contract (against their own regs) for services provided by a relative of a key NYRA exec simply would not happen with more qualified management.

Does that help?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

The kind of thing that happened a few years ago when NYRA non-bid a 900k contract (against their own regs) for services provided by a relative of a key NYRA exec simply would not happen with more qualified management.

I actually believe that there's some merit to a lot of what is in your post about the value of some outside "fresh" minds getting involved in the business side of things, but let's not kid ourselves, "sweetheart deals" occur in the private sector as well.

[sumitas]

This conservative chest thumping is all politics and no reality. In reality, the for profit tracks put as little as possible into the racing side of the business. Track conditions are inferior unless mandated by a state like Cali, for example. A for profit would damage horse racing in NY State by taking profits at the expense of the horse racing industry. Now the casino side I can see a for profit model I suppose. But definately not horse racing and the Albany Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for their unbridled greed.