CRIST: (Updated: Bruno proposal)

[freddymo]

Who's bad decisions the ones NYRA made or the ones the polictians governing NYRA make. It's a joke on both ends.

Sell the tracks with the stipulation they must be operated as such to a company. A company that has a bottom line. Make the slots revenue what it is suppose to be, carve it up and give as little as possible to the track. Eventually, leadership we have to fix the inherent financial issues with racing. Continueing to subsidize racing with phony slot bucks is a recipe for long term diaster.

I love racing but its broke needs someone to fix it not just give it blood money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Who's bad decisions the ones NYRA made or the ones the polictians governing NYRA make. It's a joke on both ends.

Sell the tracks with the stipulation they must be operated as such to a company. A company that has a bottom line. Make the slots revenue what it is suppose to be, carve it up and give as little as possible to the track. Eventually, leadership we have to fix the inherent financial issues with racing. Continueing to subsidize racing with phony slot bucks is a recipe for long term diaster.

I love racing but its broke needs someone to fix it not just give it blood money.

Why do people think that a non profit would be bad? If the laws and rules in NY were changed so as not to strangle NYRA and give them a chance to keep some of the money earned to improve the product and facilities a non profit would be a no brainer. A for profit company has one main desire...to increase the bottom line. A non profit has a broader goal of increasing the viability of the sport.

Look at how well the for profit breeding and sales industry has helped racing...


As for the slots money, why shouldn't a legal gambling operation have a right to expand their gambling menu? Why is it called 'blood money'? Isn't Outback Steakhouse allowed to sell chicken as well as steak?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do people think that a non profit would be bad? If the laws and rules in NY were changed so as not to strangle NYRA and give them a chance to keep some of the money earned to improve the product and facilities a non profit would be a no brainer. A for profit company has one main desire...to increase the bottom line. A non profit has a broader goal of increasing the viability of the sport.

Look at how well the for profit breeding and sales industry has helped racing...


As for the slots money, why shouldn't a legal gambling operation have a right to expand their gambling menu? Why is it called 'blood money'? Isn't Outback Steakhouse allowed to sell chicken as well as steak?

When you have to be concerned with a bottom line you have to make sure you have a competitive product that is going to sell. Obviously that means patrons and there needs become paramount. So you have to constantly make decisions that are in the best interests of the product so the patrons(bettors) keep coming.When you are a non profit gate keeping which in what NYRA is set up to do you allow any and all stimuli disrupt the decision making process. When you run a business for profit you have to not yield to any and all stimuli.. A Non profit governed agency is more likely to be passive IMO. The rub Cannon Ball is that to make money you have to have a superior product and the product has to constantly evolve or at the very least stay excellent to continue to get customers.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Who's bad decisions the ones NYRA made or the ones the polictians governing NYRA make. It's a joke on both ends.

Sell the tracks with the stipulation they must be operated as such to a company. A company that has a bottom line. Make the slots revenue what it is suppose to be, carve it up and give as little as possible to the track. Eventually, leadership we have to fix the inherent financial issues with racing. Continueing to subsidize racing with phony slot bucks is a recipe for long term diaster.

I love racing but its broke needs someone to fix it not just give it blood money.

The "inherent financial issues" were created by the state government and the odious patronage power associated with the OTB's. Not that anyone has remotely begun to address that issue...

And I don't understand the "bad decisions" saddlebag constantly flung over the back of current NYRA management. How are the Kenny Noe/Barry Schwartz years NYRA administrations relevant now? Why is there no credit applied to what's been accomplished the last 3 years?

And with due respect, do you have any idea to what degree the same state government hacks that are losers in the current battle, and are now desperate to keep their fingers in the pie, were responsible for the "mismanagement" for which they chide NYRA? The same scum that take delight in citing NYRA's expenditures under old regimes are the very guys that were glomming everything they could off the NYRA teet for years... I'd find a new whipping post.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The "inherent financial issues" were created by the state government and the odious patronage power associated with the OTB's. Not that anyone has remotely begun to address that issue...
And I don't understand the "bad decisions" saddlebag constantly flung over the back of current NYRA management. How are the Kenny Noe/Barry Schwartz years NYRA administrations relevant now? Why is there no credit applied to what's been accomplished the last 3 years?

And with due respect, do you have any idea to what degree the same state government hacks that are losers in the current battle, and are now desperate to keep their fingers in the pie, were responsible for the "mismanagement" for which they chide NYRA? The same scum that take delight in citing NYRA's expenditures under old regimes are the very guys that were glomming everything they could off the NYRA teet for years... I'd find a new whipping post.

This is the biggest issue no one in Albany seems to want to address.

NYCOTB alone did over $1.06 billion in handle in FY2006, if we conservatively estimate 30% of that was on NYRA (probably closer to 40-50%), that's $54,000,000 in revenue per year at a takeout rate of 18% (approx. the blended NYRA rate). Taken incrementally over their contract, which I cannot confirm but I have heard is 6%, that's $36,000,000 in lost revenue for NYRA that could be applied to racing directly.

To put that in perspective, that's enough to cover the purses for the ENTIRE winter meet- now multiply that by a factor that includes WNYOTB, Capital OTB, Catskill OTB, Nassau OTB, and Suffolk OTB.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The "inherent financial issues" were created by the state government and the odious patronage power associated with the OTB's. Not that anyone has remotely begun to address that issue...

And I don't understand the "bad decisions" saddlebag constantly flung over the back of current NYRA management. How are the Kenny Noe/Barry Schwartz years NYRA administrations relevant now? Why is there no credit applied to what's been accomplished the last 3 years?

And with due respect, do you have any idea to what degree the same state government hacks that are losers in the current battle, and are now desperate to keep their fingers in the pie, were responsible for the "mismanagement" for which they chide NYRA? The same scum that take delight in citing NYRA's expenditures under old regimes are the very guys that were glomming everything they could off the NYRA teet for years... I'd find a new whipping post.

Steve,
The only problem with your words above are that they are rational and make very good sense....Those that want to replace NYRA are unfortunately not interested in sensible/rational discourse.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The "inherent financial issues" were created by the state government and the odious patronage power associated with the OTB's. Not that anyone has remotely begun to address that issue...

And I don't understand the "bad decisions" saddlebag constantly flung over the back of current NYRA management. How are the Kenny Noe/Barry Schwartz years NYRA administrations relevant now? Why is there no credit applied to what's been accomplished the last 3 years?

And with due respect, do you have any idea to what degree the same state government hacks that are losers in the current battle, and are now desperate to keep their fingers in the pie, were responsible for the "mismanagement" for which they chide NYRA? The same scum that take delight in citing NYRA's expenditures under old regimes are the very guys that were glomming everything they could off the NYRA teet for years... I'd find a new whipping post.

They glommed because the format allowed for such BS. If someone owned the company and had to be accountable as such glomming is far less likely.

BTW why should NYRA have to be accountable for past failures? Just because a company changes mgt. all is forgiven? So the past and the past indiscretions are obsolved because they cleared the deck and took out the trash? I guess if the new guys make some bad calls in the future all we need to do is get rid of them as well and start over. is NYRA a catholic non profit? Just kidding

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I guess if the new guys make some bad calls in the future all we need to do is get rid of them as well and start over. is NYRA a catholic non profit? Just kidding.

Now that's funny..

This is the type of drama you get when the organization you want to give a 30 YR franchise to is bankrupt and has a history of corruption.

30 yrs is ridiculous.

I wonder if a few people on this site may have an interest in seeing NYRA get the contract. LOL

[parsixfarms]

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

The issue is what regulatory world does the controlling business have to exist in? Once that is determined you can develop a business model. If the rules are always changing its tough to get serious talent involved

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

NYRA can run it. Just 5 years at a time. You give anyone 30 years and by year 3 the corruption will set it. Why do you think we elect a president every 4 years, not 30 years. There has to be some accountability and NYRA wants no part of being accountable. They just want jobs for friends and to have their own little playground. No gambling entity should be non-profit though. What will happen is they will always find a way to spend any excess dollars, and usually on contracts for their friends.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Just for curiosity's sake, if you do not want NYRA to run racing in NYRA, who is your preferred alternative?

I guess our friends both "Freddy Mo" & "Benevolus" can't answer this!
I said it once and I'll say it again; The on-track race product that NYRA puts forth is the best anywhere. All others interested in the franchise are ONLY interested in the slots side...our friends above must not be true fans of thoroughbred racing or they would see this. What do the others know about running thoroughbred racing.....PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS, NYRA DETRACTORS!

[freddymo]

YA THINK?

Its not the people I object to at the current NYRA, as from what I have been told, they are all solid(finally).. Losing Nader could not have been good and speaks to failings of a NON PROFIT format. Perhaps a real company wouldn't lose their managing talent to the competition.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Perhaps a real company wouldn't lose their managing talent to the competition.

I don't normally think of the Hong Kong Jockey Club as NYRA's "competition." Please name one of its vital managing talent that it recently lost to a North American-based competitor.