Bailey vs. Azeri

King Glorious · #1 09-21-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's definitely debateable. I agree that Touch Gold had an awful trip in the Preakness, and while he was probably best in that race that day, I don't know if for sure you can say he would have won. I think what Silver Charm went on to do after the Triple Crown showed he was the superior horse.

If Touch Gold had been able to stay healthy, I'm not sure that Silver Charm would have shown he was superior. The end result is clearly that SC accomplished more. But when both horses were at their best, I'd take Touch Gold over him every time.

blackthroatedwind · #2 09-21-2007, 09:55 AM

I completely agree with King Glorious....when both horses were at their best Touch Gold was a superior horse to Silver Charm. However, Silver Charm accomplished more as Touch Gold was sound for about 12 minutes. But, he was some racehorse during those 12 minutes.

Hell, he acted as his own rabbit in the Belmont, and still won.

miraja2 · #3 09-21-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I completely agree with King Glorious....when both horses were at their best Touch Gold was a superior horse to Silver Charm. However, Silver Charm accomplished more as Touch Gold was sound for about 12 minutes. But, he was some racehorse during those 12 minutes.

Hell, he acted as his own rabbit in the Belmont, and still won.

While it is obviuosly unusual (and impressive) to see a horse go from first, to fourth, and then back to first in a race, he did go the opening half mile in :49.1, so I don't know that I would use the term "rabbit."

RolloTomasi · #4 09-21-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I completely agree with King Glorious....when both horses were at their best Touch Gold was a superior horse to Silver Charm. However, Silver Charm accomplished more as Touch Gold was sound for about 12 minutes. But, he was some racehorse during those 12 minutes.

Hell, he acted as his own rabbit in the Belmont, and still won.

I don't remember the race exactly, but wasn't Wild Rush, another Stronach runner (different trainer), on the lead that day?

blackthroatedwind · #5 09-21-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I don't remember the race exactly, but wasn't Wild Rush, another Stronach runner (different trainer), on the lead that day?

Sort of....and I was actually joking. Touch Gold went to the lead early, in a reasonably slow pace, then dropped back a bit, and rallied to win.

I think Wild Rush was up front though I think the field was pretty compact.

RolloTomasi · #6 09-21-2007, 08:14 PM

Yeah, that sounds familiar. I guess I should just find the race on youtube or nyra.com. I just remember Silver Charm and Free House hooking up again briefly at the top of the lane until it fell apart that last furlong.

blackthroatedwind · #7 09-21-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I remember Touch Gold's Preakness, Belmont and Haskell. What other races am I missing? He was very nice, but in your opinion was he the best of that crop?

Yes, I think he was the best horse from that crop. In fact, I think when he was sound he was one of the better horses since then. I think a healthy Touch Gold was better than Bernardini, Invasor, Saint Liam and this year's entire 3YO crop. The only horse in the last ten years I'm reasonably confident he couldn't beat is Ghostzapper.

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 09-21-2007, 11:05 AM

TG is from the same tail female family as the always sound Discreet Cat.

parsixfarms · #9 09-21-2007, 01:28 PM

Yes, Touch Gold got good for a short period of time, but this is the same horse who was 1-for-4 in Canada as a 2YO, and only 6-for-15 lifetime. One can argue that he may have been the most "talented" horse from his generation but that is a far different thing from being the "best" which I equate with being "accomplished." I know I'm walking into a hornet's next with this question, but by that way of thinking, where do we put Discreet Cat?

parsixfarms · #10 09-21-2007, 02:56 PM

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We can start by putting him on the track for a change!

Discreet Cat's running in the Vosburgh as a prep for the Breeders' Cup. I can't believe that you're skeptical of his ability to make both races.

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 09-21-2007, 03:00 PM

Discreet Cat runs when he wants to run.

He's the Randy Moss of horse racing.

miraja2 · #12 09-21-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I remember Touch Gold's Preakness, Belmont and Haskell. What other races am I missing? He was very nice, but in your opinion was he the best of that crop?

The only other race I can think of that you are missing is the Lexington. He won easily that day over Smoke Glacken. Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search
Touch Gold was a good horse when on his game, but he remains one of my least favorite horses of the last ten years.