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Old 09-18-2007, 10:08 PM
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Pure speculation...
This thread is a large batch of speculation big guy...
But its fun.

Damn good horse. And I did get to see the others run.
Azeri is up with the best. And yes, thats speculation.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:10 PM
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This thread is a large batch of speculation big guy...
But its fun.

Damn good horse. And I did get to see the others run.
Azeri is up with the best. And yes, thats speculation.
You gleaned this information from her series of allowance victories that were masquerading as graded stakes?
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:13 PM
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What about this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBdRyCEcnlo
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Old 09-19-2007, 10:16 AM
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1:45 4/5th is an insane time. Go for wand was awesome!
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:29 AM
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1:45 4/5th is an insane time. Go for wand was awesome!
2/5's off of Secretariat's track record. And this came after a Saratoga meet where she won the Test in 1:21 and came back nine days later to win the Alabama in 2:00 4/5.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:23 PM
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lakeway went 145.4 going 9f both earlier in her 3yo season and on a track that was a 2 turn 9f race.
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:02 PM
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lakeway went 145.4 going 9f both earlier in her 3yo season and on a track that was a 2 turn 9f race.
She went 1:46 4/5 in the Hollywood Oaks. She went 1:46 2/5 in the Mother Goose. That Hollywood race was brilliant.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:22 PM
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You gleaned this information from her series of allowance victories that were masquerading as graded stakes?
The BC at Arlington.
Tell me she would not have crushed the boys.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:24 PM
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The great Volponi would have easily beat her that day.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:26 PM
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And then they let her ferment.
Sad.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:38 PM
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The BC at Arlington.
Tell me she would not have crushed the boys.
She would not have been in the top 3

and that was far from a stellar field.

She was a nice filly who was mistaken for a star because she hid out west for most of her career and even when she came East, was exposed against a really so-so group of fillies. I'm sure even horses like Goodbye Halo would have beat her up. But you are free to think that she was a freak if you would like.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:50 PM
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Off the top of my head I would have to rank her as the top filly/mare in that division of THIS decade, but as others have pointed out, this has been a weak decade for that division.
If you went back to the 90s and matched her against a horse like Inside Information, I think Azeri would most likely be outclassed.
And the 80s were simply an exceptional decade for fillies and mares on the dirt. Of all of them I would personally go with Personal Ensign, but a strong case could be made for a number of them from that decade.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:54 PM
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She would not have been in the top 3

and that was far from a stellar field.

She was a nice filly who was mistaken for a star because she hid out west for most of her career and even when she came East, was exposed against a really so-so group of fillies. I'm sure even horses like Goodbye Halo would have beat her up. But you are free to think that she was a freak if you would like.
If I could have convinced the Paulson's
to give her to you then you would have seen.
Huge cruiser with a drive at the end.

She died on the vine. Unfullfilled.
Happens all the time. Tried to get a stupid
streak and ruined a horse. I hated to see her
run after she fermented. It was awful to witness
the degradation.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:57 PM
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If I could have convinced the Paulson's
to give her to you then you would have seen.
Huge cruiser with a drive at the end.

She died on the vine. Unfullfilled.
Happens all the time. Tried to get a stupid
streak and ruined a horse. I hated to see her
run after she fermented. It was awful to witness
the degradation.
Hard to say the streak ruined her as she was usually just toying with the same bunch of 30 claimers

Of course running in tougher races would have ruined her because she would not have had the notoriety of having a winning streak and we all would have forgotten about her by now.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:58 PM
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I lean towards what the others are saying in this arguement, but she did win the Apple Blossom and Go For Wand in that year that it was so hard for you to watch her run. Not a bad year. And was what 5th in the Classic behind Ghostzapper?
5th is not what legends are made of...
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:22 PM
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Which is why I said I leaned towards what you were arguing. My point was in that year that Pgardn had such a hard time watching her, it was a pretty productive year.
That is because she was nothing compared to what she was.
Not the same horse. Not even close. I really wonder if she even
wanted to run.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:21 PM
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Azeri is up with the best.
Fillies and mares of this decade?

I agree! Right at the top.

And that sure isn't saying very much about her.

She sure did show Tropical Blossom and Sister Girl Blues who was boss!
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