Question For Saratoga Folks

[ptgiven]

look at past attendances at Saratoga on Traver's Day, they've had crowds of 65,000 and have been able to accommodate all the people, put me on this bc committee and i'll get the breeders cup at saratoga LOL

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ptgiven

look at past attendances at Saratoga on Traver's Day, they've had crowds of 65,000 and have been able to accommodate all the people, put me on this bc committee and i'll get the breeders cup at saratoga LOL

Well, your ideas are certainly bad enough to qualify for a position. It wouldn't surprise me to see you heading the NTRA in the very near future.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, your ideas are certainly bad enough to qualify for a position. It wouldn't surprise me to see you heading the NTRA in the very near future.

Andy is back....

[ptgiven]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, your ideas are certainly bad enough to qualify for a position. It wouldn't surprise me to see you heading the NTRA in the very near future.

hmmm ok and your ideas are what? jeez nobody on this damn board can take a joke

Originally Posted by ptgiven

hmmm ok and your ideas are what? jizz nobody on this damn board can take a joke. i just poo'd my pants

TMI

[ptgiven]

this is hilarious how all these threads turn out

Put me on the committee and i'll make sure the BC is at Kentucky Downs.

Oh and if anyone has power in the NFL...make me head NFL decider-in-chief and I'll add franchises in Chattanooga (Choo-Choo's) and Beaver Dam (It)

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by ptgiven

look at past attendances at Saratoga on Traver's Day, they've had crowds of 65,000 and have been able to accommodate all the people, put me on this bc committee and i'll get the breeders cup at saratoga LOL

65.000 on Travers day? You sure about that? The biggest days are giveaway spinner days.

[ptgiven]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

65.000 on Travers day? You sure about that? The biggest days are giveaway spinner days.

sorry i was off by 4,000, back in 2001 they had 61,000

[Linny]

Originally Posted by ptgiven

look at past attendances at Saratoga on Traver's Day, they've had crowds of 65,000 and have been able to accommodate all the people, put me on this bc committee and i'll get the breeders cup at saratoga LOL

On giveaway days they claim to have 70k but many leave w/out seeing a race and about 30k at spinners with 30 umbrellas/t shirts/glasses etc. The fact is that except a few offices and the rest rooms, you are never really INDOORS at Saratoga. The whole place is open, front and back. All you have is a roof over your heard. The clubhouse/grandstand complex seats about 8k. The bulk of the folks in attendance on the typical 30k day are sitting on benches outside, at picnic tables or ON THE GROUND if they are sitting at all.
I've been at the Spa on days when it was about 60 degrees and it's damn cold and there is no place to go. At least at Belmont most of the grandstand/clubhouse is enclosed. If I'm sitting in a reserved clubouse seat, I can go inside to warm up if needed.
As much as the idea is nice in theory, I'm really not for it. As pleasant as it would be to have a late season reunion with so many of my racing friends, here at home I can't say I'm in favor. I can recall trick or treating in snowstorms as a child and later with my own son. I am not sure what you do with 20k people planning on sitting outside when the temperature dips to 40 by the time of the Classic. At least folks will save money on ice to keep the beers cold. Keep 'em in the snowbanks!

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I can hear the pre-race announcements of the changes now... "Snowshoes on the 1,2,3,4,6 and 7."

lol...

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I can hear the pre-race announcements of the changes now... "Snowshoes on the 1,2,3,4,6 and 7."

I am jumping through my skin, as I wait to post the actual weather of the Breeders Cup day in Saratoga this year. Some of you act like it is non-stop blizzard, freezing winds and freezing rain up here from September 1st to Memorial Day. I was unaware that Saratoga, NY is located so far north of Monmouth and Belmont that it is considered in the Artic Circle.

I have lived just outside of Saratoga for all of my life (outside of my college years). I have seen it snow in October, and I have seen heat waves in October. Most of these posts about the weather have just been so overly exaggerated that it borders on lunacy.

That being said...the logistics of having a BC at the Spa just does not add up, and (as much as I would like to have a BC at Saratoga) I highly doubt it would ever happen.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What are you not getting about there not being enough room? Where are you going to put the 30 or so thousand people that would normally be in the backyard, but won't because it's 40 degrees?

Ain't gonna be any warmer inside the facility

[boswd]

The weather isn't the issue. They've held it in Chicago, and Canada for pete's sake. The risk of a cold weather blast would be no greater at Saratoga than it would be a Belmont or Monmouth.

They have plenty of space to hold out. Hell they've held it Lone Star Park which is as small of a venue you can get The no room and the weather is all BS.

The bottom line is to why they haven't held it a Saratoga is NYRA doesn't feel it would be worth the effort to strip down Belmont of all the equipment and ship it back up to Saratoga just for one day when they have everything all set up and ready to go at Belmont. That is the ONLY reason why Saratoga hasn't hosted.

There maybe a time in the future where Saratoga may host it, sort of Tribute sort of thing, kind of like when Fenway hosted the AllStar Game. I see that happening but you'll never see Saratoga in the rotation.

[boswd]

That's nonsense, also as pointed out the place has held in excess of 50,000 on non spinner Travers Day with the last huge outing was when Point Given ran and that had something like 61,000. The backyard area is a huge plus in Saratoga's favor. You act like eveyone is going to be huddled around garbage cans with a lit fire in it. It's not held in January, it's either the last weekend in October or the first in Nov. The weather is not the issue.

The average attendance at the Breeders Cup is around 50,000 people. Saratoga has and can handle that. 150,000 people do not show up to the BC.

It's all about logistics with tearing down the equipment that they just took down at the begining of Sept and lugging it all the way back upstate and then doing it allover again to go back down to Belmont. Just for one day.

[saratogabrit]

Originally Posted by boswd

That's nonsense, also as pointed out the place has held in excess of 50,000 on non spinner Travers Day with the last huge outing was when Point Given ran and that had something like 61,000. The backyard area is a huge plus in Saratoga's favor. You act like eveyone is going to be huddled around garbage cans with a lit fire in it. It's not held in January, it's either the last weekend in October or the first in Nov. The weather is not the issue.

The average attendance at the Breeders Cup is around 50,000 people. Saratoga has and can handle that. 150,000 people do not show up to the BC.

It's all about logistics with tearing down the equipment that they just took down at the begining of Sept and lugging it all the way back upstate and then doing it allover again to go back down to Belmont. Just for one day.

What the weather will do is in the lap of gods but what you appear to be missing is that a completely different crowd would go to a Saratoga Breeders' Cup than attends Travers day.

The number of locals that attend the day/s would drop dramatically-rain,sun or snow-as they won't pay the price of entrance/seats that the 10,000+ visitors from overseas and the thousands of North American racefans need.

And where will everyone stay-the meet works because hundreds of people either vacate their homes or rent to track people in-between Skidmore and Navy lets. And how will people get there?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I really don't get what you are missing here. I live here. Trust me, NO ONE will be in the backyard when it's 30-40 degrees. Sure Saratoga can accomodate 50-60 thousand, because most are in the backyard, because it is the summer. You act as if it's not that cold in late October, early Novemeber.

I am sure if they felt it was worth it, they could run a weekend meet, like Monmouth is doing and Gulfstream used to when they held the BC. It's all about space and weather, combined. Just say it is 30-40 degrees. Do you really think anyone will be in the backyard? And if they are not in the backyard, where are they going to go?

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxcli...87?from=search
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxcli...?climoMonth=10

Explain to me how you come up with 30 to 40 degree weather on an average Late October - Early November day? Please, show me? The average daytime highs are right around 54-58 degrees. Unless they plan on having the first night run BC, you are dead wrong about the weather.

I do not think the BC will ever come to Saratoga, but your reasoning is beyond wrong.

For further comparison;

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxcli...Y1287&clocid2=

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Learn how to read. I never said the average is 30-40 degrees. I used it as an example. I am also not so sure how reliable those graphs are. Average high for July and August was 81-83 degrees. I was at the track at least 20 times this year. It might have been that once or twice. The rest of the time it was 90 or so.

Either way, my point is and always has been the weather combined with the fact that there is no room is why it will never come here. It's not an issue in the summer and wouldn't be if this was Florida, because people can hang in the backyard. However when it is 54-58 LOL, or maybe, just maybe it's one of those rare days where the temp is under the average, where do you think people can go? Other than home...

The graphs must be unreliable; they are only published by the National Weather Association.

You used an example that was wrong, very wrong. Sorry that you do not like facts used to point out the falsehoods you use as fact in your arguments.

I am not disagreeing that Saratoga will not get a BC. I just feel that the reasons are more then weather related. I do not feel weather is the only reason, or the most pertinent reason.

My vote remains the same...Kentucky Downs.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What fact did I present? I said say it is....That is using something as fact? You were at Saratoga this summer I'm sure. Was it ever in the 90's? And how am I very wrong? Am I wrong that there is no room for the people to hang if it gets to be colder than 50 degrees? Please enlighten me.

It was, but I would not say with such a resound attitude that 90 degrees is the norm for the summer. Your statement was made in such an authoritative way, as to make those believe 30 to 40 degree days are the average.

I feel we both agree on this, I just feel there are more logical reasons to dispute why having the BC will not be run at Saratoga. You have touched on many of those, but continuing to argue the weather case is beyond tedious. I do not think that boswd understands why it is not feasible for Saratoga to host a BC. Harping on the weather only keeps him going. List the dozen other reasons it will never happen and maybe this arguement will fade away.