Patriots punishment

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Yes its a big deal. Just because a good deal of people do it does not make it right. Videotaping signs can be a huge deal. If you know what defense they are calling in, you have a massive advantage. It matters not who else or how many have done it. It's illegal to do it and they were caught, they deserve whatever they get.

Dancing in the end zone and wearing loose socks are illegal in the NFL too.

I still think the whole thing is overblown. I dont think there is a massive advantage. There is only so many things a defense can do. Most of what they do is to react to what the offense does. I suppose Indy is cheating too since Peyton seems to change plays about every play.

[AeWingnut]

I wish I could say that the reason the Patriots beat the Rams was because they cheated (although there were something that they didn't show on camera - the receivers were blantantly being held) but it was Get sMartz.
and the completely fabricated tuck rule

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Yes its a big deal. Just because a good deal of people do it does not make it right. Videotaping signs can be a huge deal. If you know what defense they are calling in, you have a massive advantage. It matters not who else or how many have done it. It's illegal to do it and they were caught, they deserve whatever they get.

$750,000 in fines and loss of a 1st round draft pick.

i agree.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Juan Pierre could use a dose

Yeah,but what do you ya do about the fact he is so stupid, though? ...ONE NIGHT,VIN SCULLY said he expected Pierre to be a much better bunter than he is.Atleast Furcal can do that.He squeezed a run in tonight that way.Furcal routinely get hits late in games,because he bunts to the shortstop.If he gets it by the pitcher and the 3rd baseman(and he does,) then there is no way the shortstop can throw him out.We have the dumbest centerfielder/rightfielder combo in all of baseball.KEMP simply can't remember to look at a 3rd base coach.For some reason,he thinks it's up to the runner to decide whether to try to score from 1st or 2nd....2 nice games to get to 1 1/2 games out of the wildcard.Now is when they have usually "let down" routinely this year,and given up games in stupid ways.They can't seem to maintain their intensity(like I said,2 of them are cork-head stupid.)They gotta dump Grady if they don't make the post.Too much young talent to let that Grady be chief.Wouldn't mind getting Joe Girardi next year.Broxton got over the two losses he caused last weekend.All it took was the 2 for $2.22 deal they came out with at Der Weinerschneitzel( a chilly-cheese dog + a chilly cheeseburger ...for 222.)....Hog Heaven.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If everyone is doing it is it really a big deal? I mean they were videotaping the other teams signs, not poisioning the gatorade. I guess I may be stupid but I assumed that they were all doing this anyway.

They are all doing it and it seems a bit nuts that one of Bill's former coaches set him up like this. Having said that the penalty seems excessive but as a Pats fan that shouldn't surprise.

At least the antisoundbite wasn't hit with this penalty.....

http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/mclar...13151409990023

[golfer]

Here's the problem: They all say it had little to no impact on Sunday's game, so why was Belicheat doing it? You know he will not explain what they were doing and why. But we are all supposed to believe that it didn't help, much?
If the Commisioner is truly interested in the integrity of the game, he should have forced a full explanation from Belichicken.
Basically, it's "we have no comment, but take my word for it that it was no big deal". Well, I have a big problem taking Belichump's word for it, especially when he's not talking.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by golfer

Here's the problem: They all say it had little to no impact on Sunday's game, so why was Belicheat doing it? You know he will not explain what they were doing and why. But we are all supposed to believe that it didn't help, much?
If the Commisioner is truly interested in the integrity of the game, he should have forced a full explanation from Belichicken.
Basically, it's "we have no comment, but take my word for it that it was no big deal". Well, I have a big problem taking Belichump's word for it, especially when he's not talking.

Thank you - that was fun

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If everyone is doing it is it really a big deal? I mean they were videotaping the other teams signs, not poisioning the gatorade. I guess I may be stupid but I assumed that they were all doing this anyway.

can the same be said about horse trainers drugging horses?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that's a pretty severe penalty.

hopefully the nut cases demanding a forfeit can untangle their panties and get back to life now.

people are nut cases because they disagree with you on the penalty? Obviously you are a Pats fan. How can you say it did not affect the outcome of the game? A Jets player was quoted as saying, before this came out, that it was like the Pats knew what the Jets were going to do on every play. I wonder how.

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by pointman

people are nut cases because they disagree with you on the penalty? Obviously you are a Pats fan. How can you say it did not affect the outcome of the game? A Jets player was quoted as saying, before this came out, that it was like the Pats knew what the Jets were going to do on every play. I wonder how.

That's probably because Tom Brady can read a defence, and Pennington can't. This is my last post on this.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by viscount26

That's probably because Tom Brady can read a defence, and Pennington can't. This is my last post on this.

you may very well be right. Problem is, there is no way of really knowing. IMO if the Pats forfeit, there is not much incentive to try cheating like this again as they know they lose if they get caught.

[horseofcourse]

Belichick will keep cheating. He will just try to position the cameras better is all. I think it is a no penalty...really. The money is nothing and when you draft 6 or 7 players losing one is no big deal..as they have multiple picks next year. I think taking every single pick from them would have been a better penalty.

[MaTH716]

I would have rather seen them suspend Belichek for 2-3 games than hand down a fine that Kraft will ultimately pick up. The draft pick is a step in the right direction, but since they own the niners pick which will be better anyway. It seems that they got off easy.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

people are nut cases because they disagree with you on the penalty? Obviously you are a Pats fan. How can you say it did not affect the outcome of the game? A Jets player was quoted as saying, before this came out, that it was like the Pats knew what the Jets were going to do on every play. I wonder how.

"people are nut cases because they disagree with you on the penalty?"

people are nut cases because they want a 38-14 loss to be a win.

"Obviously you are a Pats fan."

i live in l.a. i hate everyone with a football team.

How can you say it did not affect the outcome of the game?

because nfl security had been warned and took the camera in the 1st quarter.

A Jets player was quoted as saying, before this came out, that it was like the Pats knew what the Jets were going to do on every play.

i guess that's how it feels when you lose 38-14.

[hi_im_god]

that people suggesting the patriots should forfeit the game need a life.

i think you asked me what the punishment should be earlier in the string and i said loss of a pick the first day of the draft. i thought the commisioner would have the best interest of the league in mind and whatever he decided i'd be okay with.

he decided on a 1st round pick and fines. i'm okay with that.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that people suggesting the patriots should forfeit the game need a life.

i think you asked me what the punishment should be earlier in the string and i said loss of a pick the first day of the draft. i thought the commisioner would have the best interest of the league in mind and whatever he decided i'd be okay with.

he decided on a 1st round pick and fines. i'm okay with that.

trust me, I have a life and I am sure it is a lot better than yours. You are just a troll that has to get personal with people to try to justify your point since you can't do it well with an argument. You are obviously not smart enough to realize that people are supporting a forfeit for the very simple point that cheating, particularly when you have been warned specifically not to do something, has to have severe consequences. If the Pats were going to crush the Jets, which is probably true, than why did Belichick have to bother doing this?

Belichick has to be taught that you cannot stick your finger right in the commissioner's face by doing something you have been warned not to do. IMO the thing that hurts the most and stops cheaters is a forfeit. People can disagree, but to tell people to get a life because they take an arguable position is just being an a$$. Then again, what should I expect from someone who calls themeself god.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

trust me, I have a life and I am sure it is a lot better than yours. You are just a troll that has to get personal with people to try to justify your point since you can't do it well with an argument. You are obviously not smart enough to realize that people are supporting a forfeit for the very simple point that cheating, particularly when you have been warned specifically not to do something, has to have severe consequences. If the Pats were going to crush the Jets, which is probably true, than why did Belichick have to bother doing this?

Belichick has to be taught that you cannot stick your finger right in the commissioner's face by doing something you have been warned not to do. IMO the thing that hurts the most and stops cheaters is a forfeit. People can disagree, but to tell people to get a life because they take an arguable position is just being an a$$. Then again, what should I expect from someone who calls themeself god.

email the commish.

he may find logic in your fan rant and change his mind.

[gales0678]

the next time the pats play in the meadowlands , the team bus should leave Bill at the NJ turnpike and make him go through the parking lot to get to the stadium.... nothin else

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

can the same be said about horse trainers drugging horses?

Not even in the same ballpark.

The one question I have that no one seems to be asking is that if Mangini was aware that his signals were being stolen, why didn't he simply change them from game to game? Wouldn't the other team having faulty information actually be an advantage for the Jets?

Mangini obviously would think of this which leads me to believe that he just wanted for Belichik to get caught, not that he thought that the Pats would actually gain a signifigant advantage from them

[golfer]

[quote=Cannon Shell]Not even in the same ballpark.

The one question I have that no one seems to be asking is that if Mangini was aware that his signals were being stolen, why didn't he simply change them from game to game? Wouldn't the other team having faulty information actually be an advantage for the Jets?

Mangini obviously would think of this which leads me to believe that he just wanted for Belichik to get caught, not that he thought that the Pats would actually gain a signifigant advantage from them[/QUOTE]

Chuck, I'm sorry to say this is an extremely valid point, and while it does not absolve Belichek of cheating, makes me feel a whole lot worse about the woeful performance of the Jets defense last week.