Final Verdict ... Fog Is A Fraud

Originally Posted by pgardn

Is there any race that the horse has actually run in that was impressive? Just one?

No ... in fact ... that's why I predicted that he would crash in the BC Sprint ... even though he was undefeated going in.

Even when running against stiffs ... he never really closed out a race with a flourish. The last furlong has always been a problem for him. Poor opposition masked it ... but stronger opposition exposed it.

While he benefited from G3 ... or worse ... opposition in G1 3YO races ... this horse is simply not a G1-quality sprinter in open company.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

No ... in fact ... that's why I predicted that he would crash in the BC Sprint ... even though he was undefeated going in.

Even when running against stiffs ... he never really closed out a race with a flourish. The last furlong has always been a problem for him. Poor opposition masked it ... but stronger opposition exposed it.

While he benefited from G3 ... or worse ... opposition in G1 3YO races ... this horse is simply not a G1-quality sprinter in open company.

Oh you really went out on a limb. The BC sprint is historically a great race to go against the favorite. Fewer favorites have won this race than any other BC race. Great Call. Did you have Cajun Beat?

Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh you really went out on a limb. The BC sprint is historically a great race to go against the favorite. Fewer favorites have won this race than any other BC race. Great Call. Did you have Cajun Beat?

That has to be one of the greatest non-sequitors ever created.

The record shows that Lost In The Fog can't compete against open G1/G2-quality company. He's attempted it twice ... and finished way up the track both times.

The checkered history of Breeder's Cup races is totally irrelevant to those facts.

[prudery]

The historical demises of the Breeder's Cup Sprint favorites would have all the relevance in the world if they were the essence of Bold Brooklynite's argument . As per the gaggle of hyperventilating LITF goo-goos he describes, I have cruised 4-5 different racing forums for a while, and never have seen this horse compared to Dr. Fager, nor have I seen quite the cannonization he describes . But then his posts wouldn't be so dramatic, would they ? Before the BC, the horse was perfect, and had won in NY as well . He proved the most consistent sprinter and was deserving of the Eclipse last year . Saratoga County, IMO, was perhaps the best horse,but did not live to prove it. The LITF that ran in the BC unfortunately washed out pre-race, a critical factor to his detractors . Prominent early, he definitely chucked it when it counted . I agree with much of Phalaris' observations of him as a sprinter . I agree that more was expected of him than he ultimately delivered . It is hard not to dream when presented with ten perfect runs . I was a believer, though I always breathed normally . This year's model LITF is different . Physical issues have been admitted . What has not been discussed is that the horse, never pleasant tempered, has become rough and studdish . Far better animals than he have been compromised by "nads" . Count Fleet and Fair Play both lost races for this reason . Fair Play in fact, proved worthless at four because his mind was elsewhere . Fact, not excuses . LITF may run his race consistently and get beaten for whatever reason, but this last race was atypical . NO RESPONSE, NO SPEED . The con arguments would have far more merit had he gotten the lead, battled it out, lost it to a " better " horse, then finished up the track . He was a no show . To the poster who said all racehorses are frauds, I would be happier if the word fraud was replaced by fallable or not machines--otherwise the thinking is sound .

Originally Posted by prudery

As per the gaggle of hyperventilating LITF goo-goos he describes, I have cruised 4-5 different racing forums for a while, and never have seen this horse compared to Dr. Fager, nor have I seen quite the cannonization he describes . But then his posts wouldn't be so dramatic, would they ?

Try searching the archives at horseracingtalk.net for the two weeks before and after last year's BC Sprint.

But be very careful ... the hyperventilation may knock you right out of your chair.

And note that I was making the exact same analysis then that I am now ... nine months later.

Originally Posted by prudery

What has not been discussed is that the horse, never pleasant tempered, has become rough and studdish . Far better animals than he have been compromised by "nads" . Count Fleet and Fair Play both lost races for this reason . Fair Play in fact, proved worthless at four because his mind was elsewhere .

Good grief, Charlie Brown!

First it was a quarter crack ... then he was "washed out" ... then it was "just one bad race" ... now we get the biggest doozie of them all ...

... he didn't run because he was too horny!

Well ... at least it's a new tune that we hadn't heard before. I don't like the lyrics ... but it's got a good beat and I can dance to it.

Sheeeesh !!!

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Good grief, Charlie Brown!

First it was a quarter crack ... then he was "washed out" ... then it was "just one bad race" ... now we get the biggest doozie of them all ...

... he didn't run because he was too horny!

Well ... at least it's a new tune that we hadn't heard before. I don't like the lyrics ... but it's got a good beat and I can dance to it.

Sheeeesh !!!

Excuse me Sahib, and your 1950's homilies . And please don't dance . If you read what I said, I only said the horse is hormonal this year . I also said he is not the same, brother . I never said this was the reason he lost this race . But I did imply that studdish behavior can compromise whatever racing abilities a horse may or may not have . It is subtly different . You understand subtleties with your intelligence . I did hear you were smart. You said so yourself . Do not twist the words of others to fit your game plan . BTW, from many of your posts it is clear to me that you have absolutely no feeling for or up-close experience with an actual horse beyond the concept that one end ingests the food, and the other one ejects cookies .

Originally Posted by prudery

Excuse me Sahib, and your 1950's homilies . And please don't dance . If you read what I said, I only said the horse is hormonal this year . I also said he is not the same, brother . I never said this was the reason he lost this race . But I did imply that studdish behavior can compromise whatever racing abilities a horse may or may not have . It is subtly different . You understand subtleties with your intelligence . I did hear you were smart. You said so yourself . Do not twist the words of others to fit your game plan . BTW, from many of your posts it is clear to me that you have absolutely no feeling for or up-close experience with an actual horse beyond the concept that one end ingests the food, and the other one ejects cookies .

It's nice to see you posting on this forum, Susan.

That other one must be really boooooooring without me if you're here.