Hollywood Park is History today

Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

I'll call it "I'll never bet a damn dime on it Track" . This $hit will be the start of the end of horse racing and the breeding sheds mark my words.

So there is not going to be anymore breeding in the horse industry?

[packerbacker7964]

No I'm saying noone will pay top dollar for a horse unproven on this $hit over time. Half of the tracks will be Poly and the other half will be dirt. Give a dirt track over the others anysay of the week. We've been over this a 1,000 times. What ever floats your boat people. I just know that people who bet lots ans lots of cash hate this $hit. Now you'll be getting less bang for your buck and so will the track. If Turway wans't so damn lazy and actually took care of the track they'd have less breakdowns IMOP. I'll just keep betting tracks who have a good track like Lone Star, Belmont, Churchill, Gulfstream, Oaklawn and Toga. The hell with the rest of them with that Poly Bull****. Patrick B had a nice 2yearold training over the Turfway track turning bullet after bullet on the Poly runs up the track so far at Churchill it isn't even funny. just like Lawyer Ron ran up the track at Turfway others will follow.

[sumitas]

It is the future of horse racing and we'll just have to deal with it. It may not be the ultimate solution to horse health but it's in the right direction, imo.

Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

No I'm saying noone will pay top dollar for a horse unproven on this $hit over time. Half of the tracks will be Poly and the other half will be dirt. Give a dirt track over the others anysay of the week. We've been over this a 1,000 times. What ever floats your boat people. I just know that people who bet lots ans lots of cash hate this $hit. Now you'll be getting less bang for your buck and so will the track. If Turway wans't so damn lazy and actually took care of the track they'd have less breakdowns IMOP. I'll just keep betting tracks who have a good track like Lone Star, Belmont, Churchill, Gulfstream, Oaklawn and Toga. The hell with the rest of them with that Poly Bull****. Patrick B had a nice 2yearold training over the Turfway track turning bullet after bullet on the Poly runs up the track so far at Churchill it isn't even funny. just like Lawyer Ron ran up the track at Turfway others will follow.

See I view it as a great handicapping test. The prices at Turfway were awesome this past meet. A good handicapper will be able to view figures and past performances from PolyTrack and dirt to their favor. Saying you arent going to wager on PolyTrack Tracks shows me that you are unwilling to take the time to learn how to handicap this surface. I think it is easy and had a successful time handicapping Turfway. Also, it helped me score HUGE on Lemons Forever in the Oaks. You also have to remember that Lawyer Ron didnt fair so well when he went to Keeneland and Churchill. I honestly think Lawyer Ron is an overrated horse (but I would like to own him). Take this as a challenge as a handicapper. If you can figure out an angle, then you can pad your pockets.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

See I view it as a great handicapping test. The prices at Turfway were awesome this past meet. A good handicapper will be able to view figures and past performances from PolyTrack and dirt to their favor. Saying you arent going to wager on PolyTrack Tracks shows me that you are unwilling to take the time to learn how to handicap this surface. I think it is easy and had a successful time handicapping Turfway. Also, it helped me score HUGE on Lemons Forever in the Oaks. You also have to remember that Lawyer Ron didnt fair so well when he went to Keeneland and Churchill. I honestly think Lawyer Ron is an overrated horse (but I would like to own him). Take this as a challenge as a handicapper. If you can figure out an angle, then you can pad your pockets.

Kycher,

Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland, how can you say he didn't fair well and also, he ran at turf at Churchill, not his preferred surface. There's no rhyme or reason to poly track, the numbers and figures are all over the place, it's pure garbage and the racing in Kentucky sucks...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Kycher,

Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland, how can you say he didn't fair well and also, he ran at turf at Churchill, not his preferred surface. There's no rhyme or reason to poly track, the numbers and figures are all over the place, it's pure garbage and the racing in Kentucky sucks...

Show me the race Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron raced in a Maiden Allowance race on 10/21/05 and finished 3rd. I dont think he ever won a race at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron started on turf at Ellis and he didnt fair well at all on Turf. He lone "dirt" race in Kentucky is the one I mentioned above.

There is a pattern to Turfway. It is just hard to find it.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Show me the race Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron raced in a Maiden Allowance race on 10/21/05 and finished 3rd. I dont think he ever won a race at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron started on turf at Ellis and he didnt fair well at all on Turf. He lone "dirt" race in Kentucky is the one I mentioned above.

There is a pattern to Turfway. It is just hard to find it.

A maiden allowance race? wtf is that?

He won in the slop at Keeneland, beat He's a Slow Salt...

He was undefeated on dirt, until the Kentucky Derby...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Here is the chart for Lawyer Ron's maiden win at Keeneland...

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de.../chart_msw.pdf

This is the most underrated horse in the U.S. right now because everyone says he is overrated. How many times did he beat Steppenwolfer? How many? Three. What happened to Lawyer Ron in the Derby? He finished 12th. Logic would say that something had to have happened to him since that "slow" horse coming out of OP Steppenwolfer finished third and LR finished a distant 12th because LR is a much better horse than Steppenwolfer. Gee, could it be that Holthus had been running the horse into the ground with a chip in which he had surgery on immediately after the Derby? I wonder...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

A maiden allowance race? wtf is that?

He won in the slop at Keeneland, beat He's a Slow Salt...

He was undefeated on dirt, until the Kentucky Derby...

It is MSW otherwise known as a Maiden Allowance. Show me the race where Lawyer Ron won a race at Keeneland. Here is his pp's.

04.15.06 Arkansas Derby (GII) 1st Chart Recap Video Pulled rider to lead; coasted home
03.18.06 Rebel (GIII) 1st Chart Recap Video Showed added versatility closing from fifth
02.25.06 Southwest 1st Chart Recap Video Controlled pace, held Steppenwolfer safe
01.14.06 Risen Star (GIII) 1st Chart Recap Video Powerhouse win; middle of the track
12.31.05 Diamond Jo Stakes @ Evangeline Downs 1st Chart Video Dusted overmatched foes
12.09.05 Allowance @ Louisiana Downs 1st Chart Drew away to 10 3/4 length win
11.20.05 Grand Canyon @ Churchill Downs 4th Even effort on the turf
11.05.05 Turf allowance @ Churchill Downs 3rd
10.21.05 Maiden allowance @ Keeneland 3rd Chart
10.05.05 Maiden allowance @ Turfway 5th
09.14.05 Maiden claiming @ Turfway 2nd
08.25.05 Maiden turf allowance @ Ellis Park 7th
08.05.05 Maiden turf allowance @ Ellis Park 3rd
07.24.05 Maiden turf allowance @ Ellis Park 3rd