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Old 09-04-2007, 03:14 PM
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Could it be that the State of NY has done something right for racing? I'm still a little skeptical in that this State could screw up a free lunch. In the mean time I do hope they can get those slots at Aqueduct humming to fuel purses like they had at the Spa. It will certainly make February at Aqueduct a little more appealing.
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:19 PM
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Could it be that the State of NY has done something right for racing? I'm still a little skeptical in that this State could screw up a free lunch. In the mean time I do hope they can get those slots at Aqueduct humming to fuel purses like they had at the Spa. It will certainly make February at Aqueduct a little more appealing.
Nothing would make Aquaduct appealing in February. I've tried that.
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:22 PM
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:12 PM
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This was a no-brainer. It was all about the governor getting rights to $1 BILLION dollars worth of land. Now you can pretty much kiss Aqueduct goodbye. It will be sold to a Spitzer friend for real estate development. Spitzer's family made it's fortune in the real estate game.

NYRA does a good job but the reality is that taxpayers made a loan to them and NYRA is basically defaulting on the loan. So the governor's friends get rich, NYRA once again has no accountability, and the taxpayer gets screwed.

Gotta love NY.

NYRA vice chairman Jim Heffernan said the end of the land-claims dispute with the state means NYRA is relinquishing its ownership in about $1-billion worth of property at the three tracks. In return, the state is forgiving about $130 million NYRA owes it, including about $30 million provided over the past year.
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:52 PM
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NYRA does a good job but the reality is that taxpayers made a loan to them and NYRA is basically defaulting on the loan. So the governor's friends get rich, NYRA once again has no accountability, and the taxpayer gets screwed.
That's nonsense and a misrepresentation of the truth. It was in fact the State of NY that regularly 'defaulted' on agreements made to NYRA that placed the Association in an impossible position.

It was the Pataki administration that purposefully delayed VLT construction at Aqueduct in the hopes of destroying the Association to the point where it could decide the franchise question in favor of its' cronies. NYRA had been waiting since 1985 for the State of NY to address the franchise situation, a scenario which had been festering as each passing Governor failed to tackle the issue(s). And how exactly are the taxpayers screwed in a deal where the state nets $870 million worth of assets?

And accountability? NYRA has had the ultimate accountability the last 3 years having to clean out the viruses introduced by the vile Kenny Noe during his corrupt tenure in the '90's. I'm just back from the track and the press conference with Steve Duncker, Jim Heffernan and Charlie Hayward which was deservedly celebratory. Hayward broke down during his opportunity to comment on things as he spoke about the Association being the object of ridicule during the franchise process. His stewardship during this period has been remarkable, and NYRA's repeated refusal to stoop to the level of the colluded smear campaign engaged in by the likes of the NY Daily News, Times-Union, Jerry Bailey and Jeff Perle is something for which he'll long be remembered.

NYRA and its' non-profit model was the ONLY choice for racing in New York, and today's announcement goes a long way towards ensuring that the quality of racing in the state is maintained and kept at the highest level possible. There are still questions regarding the OTB problem(s) to be addressed, but the 'good guys' won today, and we as racing fans are winners along with them.
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:57 PM
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Just a reminder...

For those wanting to purchase Jerry Bailey's Inside Track 2-cd set...It would be wise to do so now while it's still $29.95.
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:58 PM
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NYRA and its' non-profit model was the ONLY choice for racing in New York, and today's announcement goes a long way towards ensuring that the quality of racing in the state is maintained and kept at the highest level possible. There are still questions regarding the OTB problem(s) to be addressed, but the 'good guys' won today, and we as racing fans are winners along with them.
Yay!!
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:10 PM
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That's nonsense and a misrepresentation of the truth. It was in fact the State of NY that regularly 'defaulted' on agreements made to NYRA that placed the Association in an impossible position.

It was the Pataki administration that purposefully delayed VLT construction at Aqueduct in the hopes of destroying the Association to the point where it could decide the franchise question in favor of its' cronies. NYRA had been waiting since 1985 for the State of NY to address the franchise situation, a scenario which had been festering as each passing Governor failed to tackle the issue(s). And how exactly are the taxpayers screwed in a deal where the state nets $870 million worth of assets?

And accountability? NYRA has had the ultimate accountability the last 3 years having to clean out the viruses introduced by the vile Kenny Noe during his corrupt tenure in the '90's. I'm just back from the track and the press conference with Steve Duncker, Jim Heffernan and Charlie Hayward which was deservedly celebratory. Hayward broke down during his opportunity to comment on things as he spoke about the Association being the object of ridicule during the franchise process. His stewardship during this period has been remarkable, and NYRA's repeated refusal to stoop to the level of the colluded smear campaign engaged by the likes of the NY Daily News, Times-Union, Jerry Bailey and Jeff Perle is something for which he'll long be remembered.

NYRA and its' non-profit was the ONLY choice for racing in New York, and today's announcement goes a long way towards ensuring that the quality of racing in the state is maintained and kept at the highest level possible. There are still questions regarding the OTB problem(s) to be addressed, but the 'good guys' won today, and we as racing fans are winners along with them.

Very well said. Congratulations NYRA!!!!!!
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:21 PM
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It has been four long years, but in the end the best group to run thoroughbred racing in N.Y won...let the political games end (although I highly doubt that) and continue with the great product NYRA has to offer. Racing is the top priority from here on out!
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:41 PM
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That's nonsense and a misrepresentation of the truth. It was in fact the State of NY that regularly 'defaulted' on agreements made to NYRA that placed the Association in an impossible position.

It was the Pataki administration that purposefully delayed VLT construction at Aqueduct in the hopes of destroying the Association to the point where it could decide the franchise question in favor of its' cronies. NYRA had been waiting since 1985 for the State of NY to address the franchise situation, a scenario which had been festering as each passing Governor failed to tackle the issue(s). And how exactly are the taxpayers screwed in a deal where the state nets $870 million worth of assets?

And accountability? NYRA has had the ultimate accountability the last 3 years having to clean out the viruses introduced by the vile Kenny Noe during his corrupt tenure in the '90's. I'm just back from the track and the press conference with Steve Duncker, Jim Heffernan and Charlie Hayward which was deservedly celebratory. Hayward broke down during his opportunity to comment on things as he spoke about the Association being the object of ridicule during the franchise process. His stewardship during this period has been remarkable, and NYRA's repeated refusal to stoop to the level of the colluded smear campaign engaged in by the likes of the NY Daily News, Times-Union, Jerry Bailey and Jeff Perle is something for which he'll long be remembered.

NYRA and its' non-profit model was the ONLY choice for racing in New York, and today's announcement goes a long way towards ensuring that the quality of racing in the state is maintained and kept at the highest level possible. There are still questions regarding the OTB problem(s) to be addressed, but the 'good guys' won today, and we as racing fans are winners along with them.
Very well said. Mr. Hayward deserves our heartfelt thanks for enduring relentless pressure, financial and otherwise. I thank Gov. Spitzer for setting NY racing on a course where we all can rise with this tide. Better days are ahead.
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:10 PM
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I know people at some non-profits - that rent the track in Saratoga for events - are dancing little jigs of relief, too.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:52 PM
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That's nonsense and a misrepresentation of the truth. It was in fact the State of NY that regularly 'defaulted' on agreements made to NYRA that placed the Association in an impossible position.

It was the Pataki administration that purposefully delayed VLT construction at Aqueduct in the hopes of destroying the Association to the point where it could decide the franchise question in favor of its' cronies. NYRA had been waiting since 1985 for the State of NY to address the franchise situation, a scenario which had been festering as each passing Governor failed to tackle the issue(s). And how exactly are the taxpayers screwed in a deal where the state nets $870 million worth of assets?

And accountability? NYRA has had the ultimate accountability the last 3 years having to clean out the viruses introduced by the vile Kenny Noe during his corrupt tenure in the '90's. I'm just back from the track and the press conference with Steve Duncker, Jim Heffernan and Charlie Hayward which was deservedly celebratory. Hayward broke down during his opportunity to comment on things as he spoke about the Association being the object of ridicule during the franchise process. His stewardship during this period has been remarkable, and NYRA's repeated refusal to stoop to the level of the colluded smear campaign engaged in by the likes of the NY Daily News, Times-Union, Jerry Bailey and Jeff Perle is something for which he'll long be remembered.

NYRA and its' non-profit was the ONLY choice for racing in New York, and today's announcement goes a long way towards ensuring that the quality of racing in the state is maintained and kept at the highest level possible. There are still questions regarding the OTB problem(s) to be addressed, but the 'good guys' won today, and we as racing fans are winners along with them.
Spoken like someone who depends on NYRA for his access to people. Please explain to me where the $130 million loan that the government gave to NYRA came from. Did the money grow on trees or was it make believe? LOL

Nice website and radioshow (which seems to have a heavy bias on NY racing, probably because you work on a NYRA facility with your radioshow and your bbq), but you are a NYRA bootlicker.

The taxpayer got stuck with a $130 million dollar loan. It is that simple.

Also, can you please let us know how a group just gave up rights to $1 billion worth of land. I know NYRA is a joke and has already proven they are inept when it comes to dealing with money, but just giving away $1 billion is pretty funny.
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:29 PM
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Spoken like someone who depends on NYRA for his access to people. Please explain to me where the $130 million loan that the government gave to NYRA came from. Did the money grow on trees or was it make believe? LOL

Nice website and radioshow (which seems to have a heavy bias on NY racing, probably because you work on a NYRA facility with your radioshow and your bbq), but you are a NYRA bootlicker.

The taxpayer got stuck with a $130 million dollar loan. It is that simple.

Also, can you please let us know how a group just gave up rights to $1 billion worth of land. I know NYRA is a joke and has already proven they are inept when it comes to dealing with money, but just giving away $1 billion is pretty funny.
They didn't give anything away..they just agreed that they did not own the land.
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This was a no-brainer. It was all about the governor getting rights to $1 BILLION dollars worth of land. Now you can pretty much kiss Aqueduct goodbye. It will be sold to a Spitzer friend for real estate development. Spitzer's family made it's fortune in the real estate game.

NYRA does a good job but the reality is that taxpayers made a loan to them and NYRA is basically defaulting on the loan. So the governor's friends get rich, NYRA once again has no accountability, and the taxpayer gets screwed.

Gotta love NY.

NYRA vice chairman Jim Heffernan said the end of the land-claims dispute with the state means NYRA is relinquishing its ownership in about $1-billion worth of property at the three tracks. In return, the state is forgiving about $130 million NYRA owes it, including about $30 million provided over the past year.
This is not a no brainer and is a very myopic view of a very complex situation. It also doesn't address a great deal of what is most beneficial to the industry, and in reality, the taxpayers of NY. If the relinquishing of any claim to the land is part of the deal, and the land reverts back to the State -- does that not provide benefits to the taxpayers of NY?

In addition, does anyone truly believe that a sweetheart deal is going to take place on the sale of (a part of) the land? I would think that this would be one of the most scrutinized deals in Spitzer's entire tenure in office. It would also have to be reviewed thoroughly and approved by multiple parties (the different components and parties of the legislature). We all know that political deals take place and we've all heard about the scandals, however, with the scrutiny surrounding this situation and any potential deal, I don't think you are going to see a BS/sweetheart deal.

Anyone who buys land like this will get more benefits -- not on the purchase price -- but on the back-end; tax breaks, abatements, re-development benefits, and/or perhaps loans, government money, etc. This would happen whether it's a friend of Spitzer's or not. That happens everyday, in many cities across the US. I would also think the RFP process would be iron-clad, however I am sure the critics would find fault regardless of the process.

It is generally accepted by experts within the industry that NYRA is most qualified to run the franchise and that the current model needs to be fixed. Why would NYRA be willing to give up their claim to the land? A billion dollars? Think about this. Nobody -- and I mean nobody -- was looking to get the franchise before the VLT legislation was approved.

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