Cigar was the best horse in the last 30 years

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by robfla

the only way Discreet Cat or Smarty Jones would beat Cigar in a 1 1/4m race is if Discreet Cat ran the first 5 furlongs and Smarty Jones ran the last 5 furlongs

hey dude, how come i cant see your avatar?

[The Bid]

I think Smarty was a better horse than Cigar.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I think Smarty was a better horse than Cigar.

And bernardini was better than Smarty.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

And bernardini was better than Smarty.

Bernardini folded like a tent the first time a horse looked him in the eye! Alysheba was right about Risen Star although I don't blame Eddie D for that ride, the trainer (sic) and his big-mouth owner instructed Eddie to fall back out of the number one hole despite the fact that all the speed (including Winning Colors) drew outside...he was left with more than any horse could possibly do turning for home yet rallied bravely for third...had he been used early to gain a forward stalking position, we'd have 12 Triple Crown winners now! Risen Star was a great horse, Secretariat's best and that says a lot with the inclusion of "The Iron Lady"!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not so sure Bernardini folded like a tent. He was passed by Invasor, who as we know was undefeated here and multiple grade 1 winner. There is no shame in running second to him in the Classic IMO.

i wouldn't say he folded either.
but i also wouldn't say that bernardini was better than smarty.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wouldn't say he folded either.
but i also wouldn't say that bernardini was better than smarty.

agreed on Smarty over Bernardini. the best comment on Smarty I have ever heard was that "Smarty Jones was a freak that could run fast and far, and both at the same time..."

That being said, give me all of the past B/C Classic winners at Belmont Park for one 1 1/4 race and I'll take Cigar...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by smuthg

agreed on Smarty over Bernardini. the best comment on Smarty I have ever heard was that "Smarty Jones was a freak that could run fast and far, and both at the same time..."

That being said, give me all of the past B/C Classic winners at Belmont Park for one 1 1/4 race and I'll take Cigar...

cigar over unbridled, i won't argue...but over tiznow? now that would be a race to see.

[robfla]

as much as i like smarty - maybe at 7f or a mile... but cigar had that burst of speed at the 3/8 pole that just inhaled the field when he went 9-10f.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

hey dude, how come i cant see your avatar?

oh, and charlie.. the avatar is clear as a bell.. a naked blonde, don't know why YOU can't see it