A Saratoga Crime

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Like I said earlier, I don't think the horse should have come down today either. But the incident in the Alabama wasn't even close to this. I thought Lady Joanne had about a length when she came over near the rail Johnny V never stopped riding and he did not check at all. Desormeaux almost went down today as a result of Coa's actions and he did absolutely nothing to try and keep the horse straight. It's unfortunate for the bettors, but I think the stewards might be trying to send a message to Coa.

I just wish I had not been caught in the middle of the stewards message to coa!

[fpsoxfan]

The thing that made the whole thing even more strange is that Coa had the race under wraps and it looked like Kent was all set to be content with second. Watch Kent win the Jockeys race by one win.

[MaTH716]

I just watched the replay, and Coa's horse was clearly the best. I think if Kent just checks his horse Coa stays up. But since the horse almost went down and the jockey involved has been sent to the principals office a few times they felt compelled to DQ him. Maybe they are trying to send a message, but I disagree with them here. Coa was clear and the whip was put away when the horse drifted in the shadow of the wire.

Question about the 6th. Did they take a look at that race? It looked like Desormeaux slammed the door on Gomez on the rail. I didn't see the head on but GG had to check hard. Was there room for him, because it seemed that he had some horse. There was no mention of an inquiry on the replay show and they left Kent up for third.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I just watched the replay, and Coa's horse was clearly the best. I think if Kent just checks his horse Coa stays up. But since the horse almost went down and the jockey involved has been sent to the principals office a few times they felt compelled to DQ him. Maybe they are trying to send a message, but I disagree with them here. Coa was clear and the whip was put away when the horse drifted in the shadow of the wire.

Question about the 6th. Did they take a look at that race? It looked like Desormeaux slammed the door on Gomez on the rail. I didn't see the head on but GG had to check hard. Was there room for him, because it seemed that he had some horse. There was no mention of an inquiry on the replay show and they left Kent up for third.

I was wondering when someone was going to mention this. That was one rough race. We all thought there was going to be some serious blinking, but there was nothing.

[Scav]

If that 3 horse didn't deserve to come down, then I must be blind.

While I will agree that the 8 was drifting out, the 3 (Who I know a couple of the partners EXTREMELY WELL) bumped the 8 while on even terms twice, and then straight up cut him off making him what looked like clipping heels.

I feel the DQ was warranted

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Scav

If that 3 horse didn't deserve to come down, then I must be blind.

While I will agree that the 8 was drifting out, the 3 (Who I know a couple of the partners EXTREMELY WELL) bumped the 8 while on even terms twice, and then straight up cut him off making him what looked like clipping heels.

I feel the DQ was warranted

You saw something that I didn't see. Read the NY Post tomorrow and see what they say. It was a horrible call by the stewards. Out of the 100 people standing around us probably 75 needed the 8 horse on top(because it was chalk) and not one person could understand what happened.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know if the NY Post will help our arguement here, IMO they leave something to be desired racing wise.

Bad example I know, but they always have a "look through the binocs" and I'm sure tomorrow they will be going nuts.

[santana]

While the 3 was easily the best.....to not take him down would have been a great message......get your spurs and boots on guys. It is now Rodeo time.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Scav

If that 3 horse didn't deserve to come down, then I must be blind.

While I will agree that the 8 was drifting out, the 3 (Who I know a couple of the partners EXTREMELY WELL) bumped the 8 while on even terms twice, and then straight up cut him off making him what looked like clipping heels.

I feel the DQ was warranted

huh..what does knowing the partners have to do with it... coa got crazy with the left handed whip and took room from the 8..totally good dq..and i would have had a better pick 4 with the three......

[Ronnie]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

huh..what does knowing the partners have to do with it...

I thought the same thing but thought better to just let it go.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Scavs, when the horse was cut off, it was very close to the wire and the race was no longer in question. How as a bettor can you be okay with YOU being penalized for a mistake Coa made and has made. The race wasn't in question anymore. It is not right for the bettor, or the connections.

the 3 bumped into the 8 multiple times, one of them knocking him sideways, before all of that. You couple that on top of that cut off, where Desormeux almost got dumped, and you have a warranted DQ. I don't disagree that the 3 was the best horse but it is hard to argue with that DQ IMO

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Scav

the 3 bumped into the 8 multiple times, one of them knocking him sideways, before all of that. You couple that on top of that cut off, where Desormeux almost got dumped, and you have a warranted DQ. I don't disagree that the 3 was the best horse but it is hard to argue with that DQ IMO

Huh??????

[Scav]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Huh??????

I am going to watch it one more time, 1 second

[deltagulf]

yea if you watch closely there are a lot of jockeys that don't ride it out.

which is very wrong. the stewards should do something call them in and have a talk with them.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I thought Gomez tried to come through a hole that closed. I think he would have objected if he thought otherwise. Anyone else notice Desormeaux not ride out again to the wire, something BTW brought up on his show? I'm not saying it cost him second, but the horse missed second by a nose and in the picture, he is almost standing up, while Cornelio is riding out to the wire.

This might be a stupid question but, Will jocks lodge objections to move up to third place?

As far as Desormeaux goes, after he (apparently) shut the door on GG he gave the horse one more tap with the whip and then coasted home like a jock that thought he was probably coming down. His hands looked like they were still. I could be way off base but you probably do not take as much heat from the trainer when you get Dq'd from 3rd to 4th as it would to be taken down from first. This is the only reason I could think for him to apparently stop driving his horse.

[Ronnie]

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

Interesting site. Thanks!

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/racing/racing.home.htm


4039.10. Who may make objection.

Every objection must be made by the owner, trainer or jockey of some horse engaged in the race or by the officials of the course to the clerk of the scales or to one of the stewards, or an objection may be made by any one of the stewards.



4039.11. Objections to be in writing.

All objections except claims of interference during a race must be in writing signed by the objector.



4039.12. Leave required to withdraw objection.

An objection cannot be withdrawn without leave of the stewards.



4039.13. Liability for costs of inquiry.

All costs and expenses in relation to determining an objection or conducting an inquiry shall be paid by such person or persons and in such proportions as the stewards shall direct.



4039.14. Deposit may be forfeited.

Before considering an objection, the stewards may require a deposit of $ 25, which shall be forfeited if the objection is decided to be frivolous or vexatious.

Thanks for the info.