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08-09-2007, 11:31 AM
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But I guess we'll see her in the Gazelle and then the BC, and then she'll probably retire with 8 career starts. This is just getting ridiculous. It has really gotten to the point where I wish they would do away with the BC altogether. 
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08-09-2007, 11:55 AM
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What happened to Circular Quay?
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08-09-2007, 11:56 AM
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Maybe because TP has no horses for the race NYRA may consider moving it to Belmont to fit with his horses schedules better?
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08-09-2007, 11:56 AM
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08-09-2007, 11:58 AM
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I am not suggesting he would win but he would be a good fit since Turf isn't the answer.
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08-09-2007, 12:05 PM
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how about the green monkey?
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08-09-2007, 12:07 PM
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CQ just doesn't seem that interested in running these days.
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08-09-2007, 03:38 PM
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I think it's time NYRA or who ever is going to be running Saratoga is going to need to do something about The Travers. This has been slowly happening to this race for quite sometime now. The Breeders Cup is slowly making this race just another race to skip. The Haskell is no longer used as prep for The Travers anymore and is it's event all it's own now. This once proud race is slowly becoming just another race. With so many different million dollar races available as other options the better horse are just spacing themselves between races more and more The PA Derby will have a larger field than the The Travers and that is a shame. Yes we can still cling to the fact that it will have Street Sense but unless alot of minds change over the next couple of weeks that's all it's going to have. Street Sense and 4 other mules. It's time to start making some changes and if that means for NYRA or whoever to start swallowing some pride and come to realize that The Travers is no longer lure it once was.
Some options 1. Raise the purse to $1,500,000 2. or raise the purse of the Jim Dandy to $750,000 is order to lure horses from the Haskell and WV Derby so the horses will have that oh so desired of 4 weeks between races. 3. Sit down with racing officials at Monmouth and see if they can agree to have the two races separated by 4 to 5 weeks and if that means Saratoga swallowing it's pride and holding The Travers one week later than so be it. In a couple of years no one will care that is no longer the last Saturday in August. I mean trainers are not really caring right now as it is unless it the old school trainers.
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08-09-2007, 08:22 PM
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08-09-2007, 08:52 PM
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She might have had a shot if ready, which she obviously isn't after missing a little training.
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08-10-2007, 12:32 AM
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I'm only 33 and I can still remember when horses would go Haskell - Travers - Woodward - Jockey Club Gold Cup - Breeders Cup or something like that. 2 starts over the summer, 2 in the fall, and then the BC.
Wasn't that long ago. Then it became 2 over the summer and 1 in the fall followed by the BC. Now it's 1 during the summer and 1 during the fall. It's practically reached the point of having to just write off the elite horses as no longer being a real part of the game. Ridiculous.
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08-10-2007, 12:56 AM
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It just sort of sounds like everyone's playing the 'avoid Street Sense until the Breeders' Cup' game. I mean everyone with SS is obviously not afraid to enter him in the races they wanted to enter him in regardless of who else is there and originally there was buzz of SS, Curlin, and Rags all going--an amazing prospect that will clearly be denied us--now even AGS has pulled back. I don't think it's that Carl's just old school and wants the Travers when nobody else does. I think the others don't wanna have to mess with SS until they have to and why bother if there's a G1 somewhere else to run in or a fat check in a stakes at another. Even if they had the horse to get the Travers over SS now, they might get knocked out so badly it messes them up for the bigger prize.
I'm sure things can change in the division as the fall approaches and horses mature but I'm not so sure Todd wouldn't be going if there were no SS or Curlin and come to think of it, I don't think he'd send AGS. He'd go with Rags if it came up that light. A Belmont/Travers double would be too much for them to resist if the right situation came up. Of course she's not ready for the likes of Street Sense now and apparently wouldn't have been back in June either according to Todd's late decision to go to the Belmont.
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08-10-2007, 04:03 AM
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ahem...i told you so.
no reason he couldn't run in the travers with ags, certainly a tough race wouldn't hinder him in the bcc several months later. but, who am i to say. oh, and great idea about moving the races to belmont there cannon. no doubt todd would appreciate that. hey, why not have todd in on the race scheduling, then he could map out the entire year to his benefit... 
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08-10-2007, 10:18 AM
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yeah you don't get that unbeatable feel with Street Sense, yes he's a fantastic horse but not like what you felt with Point Given or a Bernardini last year. I don't think they are in fear of Street Sense.
It's time for The Travers to adapt to this new day of age. It's time to either increase the purse in the Jim Dandy to lure horses away from The Haskell or move The Travers to the last weekend. The BC has just taken over and no one cares anymore about the prestige of these races. They want 4 to 6 weeks between races and if The Travers doesnt' adapt it's only going to get worse. The Haskell has caught up in a big way and for the past few years has had better fields. Now Zito isn't 100% about CP West, says it's a maybe now. This is going to be a huge bust for Travers Day. Well they only thing we can do is enjoy the public workout from Street Sense.
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08-10-2007, 10:35 AM
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08-10-2007, 10:40 AM
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08-10-2007, 10:25 AM
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Yup besides the Triple Crown every race is now a prep race and with every honky tonk track waving a million plus dollars the options are wide open. Just look at the JCGC last year, arguably THE most prestigious handicap race, had 4 entries, We might see the same for The Travers this year But hey the following week I bet we see 10 for the PA Derby. It's disgusting. Time to suck it up swallow the pride and be proactive, If NYRA or whoever thinks the The Travers is still going to attract all the top 3 yr olds based on its name and reputation, is making a huge mistake. In fact the past few years The Whitney has been a much much better race competitve wise in terms of the Big races for The Saratog Meet. Times have changed and it's time to adapt.
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