Barry Bonds

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Mrs Z, it isn't a matter of whether he'll go to jail or not, he's still entitled to the same rights. Sure, we are all entitled to our opinion but when those opinions are expressed publically as facts...that's a different story. As you mentioned, in the case of Vick, I have posted here that IF he's guilty of dog fighting, he should be banned from the NFL for life...others may agree or not but the point is that I've made no statement of "fact" about his innocense/guilt. Right now, no charges have been made, no evidence of his involvement...so to me, he remains an innocent man. If you read the posts made in this thread you see that Bonds is being treated differently by many...no qualifying "IF" but "he's guilty" as a statement of fact! Some say it's no big deal...I say it's a huge deal!

but, in a way, it's sort of like asmussen. well, maybe not quite. asmussen has had numerous violations--no trial, but many think he's a cheater, including myself. but then, there have been tests that have shown positives. altho as far as i know bonds has never been tested, he has admitted using 'something'. he certainly fanned the flames by saying so. like i said, if--well, when he breaks the record, he should have it. i'm not saying he shouldn't. unless and until it's shown that he did cheat, it's his and should be his. in many peoples eyes, it won't be legit--but he'll still be in the record book, and he should be. in the same vein, i think najran should have an * next to his record that he shares with fager, since he carried quite a bit less weight when he tied it--but that's just my opinion. same thing here. it's the same as when peyton broke the rushing yards--he was no pariah, but many still questioned the legitimacy of the record, since he had longer seasons and more games in which to break the record--but he was still the new #1.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but, in a way, it's sort of like asmussen. well, maybe not quite. asmussen has had numerous violations--no trial, but many think he's a cheater, including myself. but then, there have been tests that have shown positives. altho as far as i know bonds has never been tested, he has admitted using 'something'. he certainly fanned the flames by saying so. like i said, if--well, when he breaks the record, he should have it. i'm not saying he shouldn't. unless and until it's shown that he did cheat, it's his and should be his. in many peoples eyes, it won't be legit--but he'll still be in the record book, and he should be. in the same vein, i think najran should have an * next to his record that he shares with fager, since he carried quite a bit less weight when he tied it--but that's just my opinion. same thing here. it's the same as when peyton broke the rushing yards--he was no pariah, but many still questioned the legitimacy of the record, since he had longer seasons and more games in which to break the record--but he was still the new #1.

I agree! Folks will have different opinions, it happens with all sports records I think...when Maris hit 61, he got an "*" in the record books cause the season was 8 games longer than in Ruth's time...I thought that was a bit phoney but just my opinion. I think Rose must be in the HOF, others disagree. I think Kincsem along with Secretariat deserves the #1 all time ranking and many others refuse to acknowledge her at all. Opinions are fine, we all have them...but when opinions are displayed as "facts" innocent people often get hurt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree! Folks will have different opinions, it happens with all sports records I think...when Maris hit 61, he got an "*" in the record books cause the season was 8 games longer than in Ruth's time...I thought that was a bit phoney but just my opinion. I think Rose must be in the HOF, others disagree. I think Kincsem along with Secretariat deserves the #1 all time ranking and many others refuse to acknowledge her at all. Opinions are fine, we all have them...but when opinions are displayed as "facts" innocent people often get hurt.

oh yeah, quite often people confuse the two. it's not a fact that bonds is cheating.