Margaret Sanger--Halo tipping a bit?

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Pgardn: you have supplanted your arguement for my links to MS! What kind of a standard is that you hold? You seem too harsh on yourself...as I see you as morally correct in what you contribute. The subject was how the family planning group that was so helpful(?)in the beginning is now a Billion dollar abortion mill(for their own purposes)not for the unfortunate young women who seek their guidance!

I read that. And as I said I found the most interesting arguement that I had never seen used was that white people who are pro choice are basically so because of black people having too many babies.

I had never ever read that before. Interesting.

As far as people making money off of abortions I find that utterly disgusting. I dont like the whole thing. It is a very difficult problem for me.

But I will continue in my quest to find a pro-life adopter as a side order to your main dish.

Do we have any?

I of course have always admired somer as a horse person taking in older race horses. My wife did the same with only one horse. 3 is a huge undertaking and I appreciate the humanity in this.

I just find it odd that so many people are looking to adopt human babies through agencies in Eastern Europe, yet right here in the US we have woman (mostly minorities) that might be talked into saving a life if someone was willing to adopt. I am not in a position to do so.

[golfer]

Thought I'd resurrect this as I came across this article today. It is quite long, and admittedly I only got through a portion of it myself. For anyone who may be interested:
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/s...ro_project.htm

[Mortimer]

Who is the only person to have ever excelled at gelf in the PGA and bb in the NBA?

















Golf Schayes.

[GenuineRisk]

(pause while I put my head on the desk and take a deep breath)

Because Margaret Sanger advocated for birth control for the poor does not make her a racist. Why? Because what she advocated was women having a CHOICE. A choice to have kids or a choice to not. And she recognized that poor women, many of whom were are are minorities, are the ones most desperately in need of that choice. She wasn't marching into ghettos with a gun and forcing women to submit to insertion of IUDs, you know. She was setting up birth control clinics in poor neighborhoods and letting poor women decide whether they wanted to go to the clinic. Because poor women have always had fewer options than rich women. Giving the poor options makes her racist, because those poor women choose to improve their economic lot by having fewer kids? What? On what planet does that make sense?

In fact, Sanger was quoted as finding abortion repellent- her big thing was avoiding unwanted pregnancy in the first place. But the right-wingers who are convinced things would be perfect if only all women could live in dread fear of getting pregnant every time women have sex, will twist and turn and ignore the complicated person she was, in order to evade the issue of poor women not having choices when it comes to their reproductive health.

How many anti-abortion advocates are out there pushing for mandatory contraceptive education? Or guaranteed health care for kids? Day care, for working moms? Oh right, none of them. They aren't interested in saving babies; they're interested in pregnancy being a punishment, a very financially challenging punishment, for sexually active women. Real pro-life, huh?

And for the record, abortions make up a very, very small part of Planned Parenthood's business. Most of it is providing health care, including contraception, to women. And they do a good job of it, and I had friends in high school who avoided becoming pregnant at 15 thanks to PP's only charging them what they could afford for birth control. The one I'm still in touch with is now a happy mother at 37- having had a kid when she was ready.

Which is not to say Sanger didn't have some pretty harsh ideas about the severely disabled and their rights to reproduce, but that's like saying Faulkner's personal feelings about African-Americans (someone who, it can be argued, did have racial issues) means his books sucked. People are products of their times and you can't throw out great achievements because the person wasn't perfect, or believed in some ideas, popular at the time, which we now know were incorrect.

Read the woman's own words (in context)- not quotes from a completely different writer she was said to have agreed with.

(Aww... I've spent so much time getting my political fix from balloon-juice.com I forgot how much I missed you guys... )

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

How many anti-abortion advocates are out there pushing for mandatory contraceptive education? Or guaranteed health care for kids? Day care, for working moms? Oh right, none of them. They aren't interested in saving babies; they're interested in pregnancy being a punishment, a very financially challenging punishment, for sexually active women. Real pro-life, huh?

No surprise then that most of the top states in infant mortality rates are also the same very red states that would outlaw abortion if they had the chance. The majority of "pro-life" advocates, like you said, care very little about actual life once it begins. Instead, it's all about waging a war on saving "babies" at their various developmental stages in utero.

Once a baby is born, nobody cares anymore -- they're too busy carrying signs outside of Planned Parenthood trying to save the next zygote they can do their best to let die once it's born.

[timmgirvan]

Bull-pucky Brian! and the same liberal prattle from GR! To suggest that these people don't care about the children once they're out of the womb is wrong and disengenuous. I am strongly pro-life but...it is a womans right to choose. My problem is they choose whatever solution without enough info...thereby making an un-informed choice. Not to forget about personal responsibility!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Bull-pucky Brian! and the same liberal prattle from GR! To suggest that these people don't care about the children once they're out of the womb is wrong and disengenuous. I am strongly pro-life but...it is a womans right to choose. My problem is they choose whatever solution without enough info...thereby making an un-informed choice. Not to forget about personal responsibility!

Maybe they "care," as in they have really warm and fuzzy feelings towards babies, but their policies sure don't reflect that -- and infant mortality rates in traditionally "pro-life" states show a remarkable and undeniable correlation between the policies of "pro-lifers" regarding actual, living children and an increase in dead ones.