Brass Hat/Willie-NTR (With PDrift arguing!)

[citycat]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since I have been unwittingly dragged into the conversation...I think that it is logical to think that a horse like Perfect Drift may have been able to accomplish more if in the barn of a high percentage trainer like the ones mentioned. Of course it is probably wrong but it is logical. Horse racing history is full of horses who moved to a different location or trainer and moved way up. But there are also many examples of good horses being moved to "high profile" trainers who have regressed. The worst thing about the % is that they really mean so little in a positive way for the owners who hold them so dear. One thing that the higer % guys seem to do is win fast and often for a short period and then the horses quickly regress and retire or move on. They also tend to make decisions that are based on a short term plan usually based upon the common good of their win % first and foremost. The funny thing is that the owners seem to run to these guys as fast as they can and usually wind up no better off than they were before except with a much larger bill. I dont blame the trainers for that type of thinking because it is obvious that is what most owners look for even if it is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Murray is not a close friend of mine but he is a nice man. He himself would probably admit that he is not the worlds greatest trainer. But he has done an exceptional job with this horse in my opinion. Of course I am of the belief that he was never more than a good grade 2 horse that overachieved on many occasions.

That being said it is painfully obvious that the horse has lost more than a step and though he may be sound enough to run, he just isn't a stakes quality horse anymore.

What a very classy post. I would expect no less.

I apologize for "dragging" you into this and I do respect your abilities.

Like I said I do enjoy reading this board but I thought this thread got really carried away when they call someone "a pretty bad trainer, numbers dont lie".

[Cajungator26]

Some people have an interesting way of being a real ball buster.

Geez...

I'm guessing Kumbaya didn't work.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thanks for your insight here. Spot on as usual.

My insight concerning the horse isn't to automatically blame his trainer. I'm not convinced that PD would have lasted as long as he has with another trainer... there is obviously no way to know for sure, but I don't feel as if Johnson spotted this horse horribly. As for how he trained him, I have no idea. I'm not a trainer. Only a trainer would really know how he has done with this particular horse.

Thanks for your snobbish response, by the way. Spot on as usual.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Cajun, do me a favor. Go back through this thread and tell me that I have said anything worse than at least 2 other people, who of course no one came after. I never said a word about how the horse was spotted. I said he should retire the horse, which you agreed with. And I said I thought Murray Johnson was a bad trainer, which at least 2 others agreed with. I also thought he might have done better with another trainer, which again, at least 2 agreed with. I guess I shouldn't have an opinion. From now on I'll just talk about how pretty horseys are and make lame sexual innuendos with every other post I make.

Where did I say you shouldn't post your opinion? I never said that at all (I agree with most of it)... you just so happened to degrade another poster's opinion and guess what? He's entitled to his opinion too.

I'm sure that mentioning you just lost your lunch was really relevant to this topic.

[Payson Dave]

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[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

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You're right, Dave.

Hoss,

I'm sorry. (Seriously.)

Back to topic...

Perfect Drift needs to be retired.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It was as relevant as what was added by the person who I was responding to.

I didn't degrade anyone's opinion, I disagreed. And thought it was sort of unecessary to drag Chuck into this and call into question his numbers when he had nothing to do with anything.

I agree.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I agree.

That's good!

Never leave for happy hour on a down note.....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

That's good!

Never leave for happy hour on a down note.....

I'm glad you're leaving for happy hour, B. I'm stuck here for another hour.

[gamblin4ever]

Congrats to Brass Hat and connections in his win.


Murray Johnson, imo, not great trainer but decent, better than some trainers
but not others. He at least gave P. Drift the chance to run against the best horses, not find the easy spots to just make money and wins, like some trainers we all know wouldve done.

My thanks to Murray and Perfect Drift for the great races we all enjoyed seeing.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

Congrats to Brass Hat and connections in his win.


Murray Johnson, imo, not great trainer but decent, better than some trainers
but not others. He at least gave P. Drift the chance to run against the best horses, not find the easy spots to just make money and wins, like some trainers we all know wouldve done.

My thanks to Murray and Perfect Drift for the great races we all enjoyed seeing.

Maybe they will write a race at The Fingerdogs for him.

He could buck heads with Funny Cide

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Maybe they will write a race at The Fingerdogs for him.

He could buck heads with Funny Cide

He isn't popular enough.

What are they going to say....."Come see....the horse who ran 3rd in the Derby!"

Unless FC was in the race as well, I don't think they'd alter a race for Perfect Drift.