Bonds voted to All Star team - Page 4

Ferdinand · #61 07-06-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

These are both myths

The Ruth one I can believe but not the Cobb one, imho.

Cannon Shell · #62 07-06-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferdinand

While I have no problem admitting Speaker as being one of the very best at the time, I really think what Cobb did went beyond numbers. How could Tris bunt compared to Cobb? Cobb ruled the bases and forced countless errors on his opponents part.
I just don't see where the Babe was so much more dominant beside the case of smashing homeruns and that was mostly just coming out of the dead-ball era. Rogers Hornsby or Lou Gehrig or George Sisler or were no slouches themselves.

Do you know the amount of stat records they both held at their retirements?

Not breaking your chops but how would you possibly know any of this?

You do understand that hitting home runs is a much more valuble skill than bunting or stealing bases. When you hit home runs you just trot around the bases and it does not matter what your opponents do.

And it seemed that Ruth was the only one coming out of the deadball era when he became a full time outfielder being that he was hitting more HR's than teams and breaking rbi, runs scored, OBP, SLG records

Cannon Shell · #63 07-06-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferdinand

The Ruth one I can believe but not the Cobb one, imho.

Again how would anyone be able to know this. Reading Cobb's autobiography or watching the movie may not be entirely factual or nonbiased.

timmgirvan · #64 07-06-2007, 10:08 PM

Wasn't Ruth pretty big....like 6'2"...while eveybody else was 4-6" shorter?

Ferdinand · #65 07-09-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not breaking your chops but how would you possibly know any of this?

You do understand that hitting home runs is a much more valuble skill than bunting or stealing bases. When you hit home runs you just trot around the bases and it does not matter what your opponents do.

And it seemed that Ruth was the only one coming out of the deadball era when he became a full time outfielder being that he was hitting more HR's than teams and breaking rbi, runs scored, OBP, SLG records

Sorry, if you were witness to The Babe, I'll bow to your knowledge.

Yeah, that's why it's so cheap. Bulk up and power your way through. Cobb had power but prefered to play with his head. He also hit 5 homeruns in two days when he decided to actually go for homeruns and that cannot be disputed. Perhaps homeruns are the ultimate play but too me they will always be cheap. A homerun in one park, a fly ball in another.

I will definately admit his 1921 season was one for the ages. I do wonder if his skill as a Red Sox player bashing hr's was somewhat responsible for a change in baseballs that took the game out of the deadball era into a lively ball era which it became.