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06-28-2007, 10:01 PM
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Greatness? F'n Grinder......WHO CARES?
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06-28-2007, 10:02 PM
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06-28-2007, 10:16 PM
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Nope...Average player.......2781 games...3000 hits...What's he hitting now? 0.250? What basis you putting him into the Hall for? Played along time? Got a hit a little more than 1 out of 4 times at the plate.Hit over 0.300 just 4 out of 19 seasons.No f'n way...Grinder.......If Garvey ain't getting in,then f this guy,too .No star.Never has been.Pro Grinder.....Name a sandwich after him.
2002 Houston Astros .253 ..Grinder 2003 Houston Astros .264 Grinder 2004 Houston Astros .281 Grinder 2005 Houston Astros .264 Grinder 2006 Houston Astros .246 Grinder 2007 Houston Astros .250(about) Grinder
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06-28-2007, 10:31 PM
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Belongs there on those stats alone!
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"Change can be good, but constant change shows no direction" http://www.hickoryhillhoff.blogspot.com/
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06-28-2007, 10:40 PM
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If you want to put somebody in for having a lot of at bats,then go for it,but he is nothing more than a glorified grinder.You can look at it anyway you want,but he is an average player that played forever.If you're desperate to put an Astro in,then Bagwell is a much better candidate.He had 10x the talent of this guy.
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06-28-2007, 10:57 PM
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"Change can be good, but constant change shows no direction" http://www.hickoryhillhoff.blogspot.com/
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06-29-2007, 04:59 AM
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It's sad that this guy is taking away attention from a real deserving Hall of Famer (Frank Thomas.)There are a lot of really nice team players,and most aren't going in the Hall(Scioscia for instance.)You need to be able to reserve the Hall for the top talent(not just somebody who has a long and decent career.)Here are the main reasons why a very average player with typical stats (for anybody who has had a very long career would have)is getting into the Hall......
1)a good caucasian boy 2)good citizen 3)looks more like joe the plumber than a modern day athlete 4)been with same team for almost 20 years 5) a true team player Every reason given tonite (for his being worthy of going into the Hall ) is time-based.This is no superstar.This is simply a good team player that ground out a long career,and played long enough to get a lot of hits.If ya get a decent amount of hits each year.then what do you expect will happen? I'll tell you what will happen.You do it for about 19 years,and you'll get 3000 hits.Simple math.See,this is a unique situation.His batting average has been slipping.Most would have retired,or more likely....he would have lost his job to a better younger player.This is a very conservative city,and they don't like change.That's why they ain't doing a damn thing to win.They would rather have an old player get 3000 hits than go young with some young hitters.
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