Kobes' Brain is exploding

timmgirvan · #1 06-17-2007, 09:54 PM

Precedent has been set before with this organisation(Shaq) True,contractually the Lakers have him for 2 more years...but I really can't see Buss putting up with Kobe for that time,can you? And since they saw fit to raise tix prices...they'll lose face if they don't exile him before the draft.

Cannon Shell · #2 06-17-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Precedent has been set before with this organisation(Shaq) True,contractually the Lakers have him for 2 more years...but I really can't see Buss putting up with Kobe for that time,can you? And since they saw fit to raise tix prices...they'll lose face if they don't exile him before the draft.

They'll lose season ticket holders if they get what they got back for Shaq. I really cant see Chicago blowing up their team for Kobe. They already sell out and are a little maturity and a perimiter player from being a regular in the finals. The East is not strong, Detroit is falling apart (plus they are getting old), NJ is losing Carter which in itself is not bad but there is very little out there to replace his scoring, Cavs have cap issues which should keep them from adding an impact player, who else is there?
Buss is stuck with Kobe. There is just no way to get fair market value for him and make the money fit.

timmgirvan · #3 06-17-2007, 10:24 PM

It is an untenable position....I hear that Shawn Marion might be coming...so that might cool Kobes' jets...we'll know right around the 29th of this month

#4 06-18-2007, 08:59 AM

The upcoming draft is full of very good players. In one year so many things could change. Players will be retiring and others will be stepping up. The Lakers look in bad shape now, but give it a year and all sorts of thing could happen. Buss can wait.

King Glorious · #5 06-18-2007, 08:53 PM

Here's the deal. I have NO IDEA what Kobe is doing. I don't think he does either. He's demanding to be traded. Well, does he think that HELPS his trade value? Look at how that went when Shaq demanded to be traded. Look at the Iverson deal. Get the picture? When these players come out and demand to be traded, the teams around the league know they have the upper hand. They know that the Lakers are over a barrel and there is no way that the Lakers can now get actual market value for Kobe. No way. Add to this the fact that Kobe has a no-trade clause in his contract. He's mentioned NY, Chicago, and Phoenix as places he'd like to get traded to. What if the Lakers work out a deal with Milwaukee or Utah? U think Kobe would waive his clause then? How about Sacramento or Memphis? I don't see him agreeing to any of those places. Does he even realize what a team would have to give up in order to get him? First of all, Chicago, in my opinion, would have to be idiots to give up Wallace, Deng and Gordon or Hinrich for Kobe. Do people realize that Kobe has played 11 years in the league, has played another 120+ playoff games, and had his knee operated on last year? He's on the downside of his career. Sure, he's going to be very good till he's done but I think he's done in another three or four years max. The Chicago guys are all young and have plenty of years left and as Cannon just said, they are right on the cusp of being a contender to make the finals every year being in the Eastern Conference. There is no reason for them to make that deal. Even if they were idiots and did it, what would Kobe be coming to in Chicago? The guys that would be left would be no better than the team he has here in LA. I think they'd be worse. And now I hear people talking about Phoenix? Give me a break. The talk I've been hearing is maybe Shawn Marion, Barbosa, and the pick that the Suns get next year from Atlanta (likely a lottery pick). For the Lakers, that would be a great deal. But would they believe that they are then better than a Suns team of Kobe, Nash, and Stoudamire? Wouldn't they virtually be handing the title to Phoenix? How well would that go over in Lakerland when the Suns w/Kobe come into Staples and knock the Lakers out of the first round again with Kobe going for 35 a night?

The deal is that Kobe is already hated by his teammates and the things he's said about them lately aren't helping matters. He's almost forcing the team's hand. And he doesn't have many aces in my opinion. If he wanted to be traded, there were other ways to go about this. Now, the other option is to not trade him at all. The problem is that in order to get the kind of players that Kobe wants, the Lakers almost HAVE to include Odom and/or Bynum. They are very reluctant to trade Bynum. They could have had Jermaine O'Neal for Odom and Bynum but said no. I actually think that deal would hurt far more than help though. I wouldn't look to trade Odom at all. He's an underachiever but he still does so much for that team that isn't recognized by most because they want more.

If they indeed do intend to trade Kobe, I'm thinking that there are a few teams that might make sense. I'm thinking that it has to be a team with some young talent that the Lakers could use but that would still be left with a few pieces once they made the deal. I'm thinking that Kobe is interested in playing in a large metropolitan area. I'm thinking that he'd prefer to be in the East because the path to the Finals is easier over there. With this in mind, I'm coming up with........Atlanta, Boston, NJ, Charlotte and one Western team, Golden State.

timmgirvan · #6 06-18-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Here's the deal. I have NO IDEA what Kobe is doing. I don't think he does either. He's demanding to be traded. Well, does he think that HELPS his trade value? Look at how that went when Shaq demanded to be traded. Look at the Iverson deal. Get the picture? When these players come out and demand to be traded, the teams around the league know they have the upper hand. They know that the Lakers are over a barrel and there is no way that the Lakers can now get actual market value for Kobe. No way. Add to this the fact that Kobe has a no-trade clause in his contract. He's mentioned NY, Chicago, and Phoenix as places he'd like to get traded to. What if the Lakers work out a deal with Milwaukee or Utah? U think Kobe would waive his clause then? How about Sacramento or Memphis? I don't see him agreeing to any of those places. Does he even realize what a team would have to give up in order to get him? First of all, Chicago, in my opinion, would have to be idiots to give up Wallace, Deng and Gordon or Hinrich for Kobe. Do people realize that Kobe has played 11 years in the league, has played another 120+ playoff games, and had his knee operated on last year? He's on the downside of his career. Sure, he's going to be very good till he's done but I think he's done in another three or four years max. The Chicago guys are all young and have plenty of years left and as Cannon just said, they are right on the cusp of being a contender to make the finals every year being in the Eastern Conference. There is no reason for them to make that deal. Even if they were idiots and did it, what would Kobe be coming to in Chicago? The guys that would be left would be no better than the team he has here in LA. I think they'd be worse. And now I hear people talking about Phoenix? Give me a break. The talk I've been hearing is maybe Shawn Marion, Barbosa, and the pick that the Suns get next year from Atlanta (likely a lottery pick). For the Lakers, that would be a great deal. But would they believe that they are then better than a Suns team of Kobe, Nash, and Stoudamire? Wouldn't they virtually be handing the title to Phoenix? How well would that go over in Lakerland when the Suns w/Kobe come into Staples and knock the Lakers out of the first round again with Kobe going for 35 a night?

The deal is that Kobe is already hated by his teammates and the things he's said about them lately aren't helping matters. He's almost forcing the team's hand. And he doesn't have many aces in my opinion. If he wanted to be traded, there were other ways to go about this. Now, the other option is to not trade him at all. The problem is that in order to get the kind of players that Kobe wants, the Lakers almost HAVE to include Odom and/or Bynum. They are very reluctant to trade Bynum. They could have had Jermaine O'Neal for Odom and Bynum but said no. I actually think that deal would hurt far more than help though. I wouldn't look to trade Odom at all. He's an underachiever but he still does so much for that team that isn't recognized by most because they want more.

If they indeed do intend to trade Kobe, I'm thinking that there are a few teams that might make sense. I'm thinking that it has to be a team with some young talent that the Lakers could use but that would still be left with a few pieces once they made the deal. I'm thinking that Kobe is interested in playing in a large metropolitan area. I'm thinking that he'd prefer to be in the East because the path to the Finals is easier over there. With this in mind, I'm coming up with........Atlanta, Boston, NJ, Charlotte and one Western team, Golden State.

Good job,King! you spell it out pretty good. He's in his own world,for sure. I don't think he'll be going anywhere in the West though....and the more he keeps talking the less teams will be willing to gamble on him. It's really a mess for the Lakers.

King Glorious · #7 06-18-2007, 09:06 PM

There is one other thing I forgot to mention. Kobe has an opt out of his contract in two years. Any team that would trade for him would have to have an assurance that he'd resign. How would it feel to trade for him and he opts out in two years? And then is Kobe Bryant the kind of person that u would take his word that he'd re-sign?