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Old 06-15-2007, 03:32 AM
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many nations said 'never again' after realizing the magnitude of the holocaust. easier said than done...what they meant i suppose was never again to a group we care about.

it's funny tho, we always want to step in, always want to help, but as soon as we do so, anywhere, then there are those saying we aren't the worlds police, we should mind our business, it's not worth american lives, etc. dammed if we do, dammed if we don't.
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:36 PM
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many nations said 'never again' after realizing the magnitude of the holocaust. easier said than done...what they meant i suppose was never again to a group we care about.

it's funny tho, we always want to step in, always want to help, but as soon as we do so, anywhere, then there are those saying we aren't the worlds police, we should mind our business, it's not worth american lives, etc. dammed if we do, dammed if we don't.
Agreed! Thanks for pointing this out!
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:43 PM
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"it's not worth american lives, etc. dammed if we do, dammed if we don't."

It's not worth ANY lives.
That said (and I don't have a link to post, so find your own), did you know about the oil reserves that are in Darfur, and which country (in Asia) has dibs on them?
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:52 PM
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"it's not worth american lives, etc. dammed if we do, dammed if we don't."

It's not worth ANY lives.
That said (and I don't have a link to post, so find your own), did you know about the oil reserves that are in Darfur, and which country (in Asia) has dibs on them?
I believe Danzig meant(as i do)that no matter what the US does we are castigated by the spineless nations of the U.N. I feel the tradegy in Darfur is inexcusable, but as we've had to leave it to the Govt. the people suffer. Who is behind Door #3?
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:55 PM
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"it's not worth american lives, etc. dammed if we do, dammed if we don't."

It's not worth ANY lives.
That said (and I don't have a link to post, so find your own), did you know about the oil reserves that are in Darfur, and which country (in Asia) has dibs on them?
China could stop this very easily.

And I agree with Z. We cant win. Do people remember Somalia? We had no interest in that country whatsoever and sent kids in and they got slaughtered. This is a very confusing issue for me, very. It is clearly genocide of black Africans by religious zealots with money at stake. A very volatile combination. This is clearly a horrific slaughter. But... we have made it very clear we will not tolerate the loss of American lives unless... and then it gets to a very fuzzy border that I cannot comprehend anymore.
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Old 06-15-2007, 04:12 PM
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Timm and Pgardn,
I'm not arguing with either of you. You are both correct. So are Somerfrost and Danzig.
Pgardn said it well, "This is clearly a horrific slaughter."
Just my "take", but I think the UN will be equally as ineffective in dealing with this as they have been with so many previous genocides.
Sorry...Huttu's and Tutsies come to mind, or how the UN was so "key" in Cambodia (right?). The US will twiddle their thumbs for a while, maybe make a request of China to intervene. Americans will sign petitions.
And the people of Darfur will continue to DIE!

Ahhh! Feeling so impotent lately regarding the confrontations of tragedies.

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Old 06-15-2007, 04:31 PM
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With the current 'contentious' situation in Washington, it is hardly suprizing that the US is twiddling it's thumbs. I'd be glad to see the Congress come up with a plan,but they'll never let Bush act,because it would take away from steamrollin him for all things evil!
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Old 06-15-2007, 04:47 PM
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With the current 'contentious' situation in Washington, it is hardly suprizing that the US is twiddling it's thumbs. I'd be glad to see the Congress come up with a plan,but they'll never let Bush act,because it would take away from steamrollin him for all things evil!
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I will not bash Bush.
I will not bash Bush.

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Do you really think there remains any credibility with the UN, especially with regards to Powell's comments on UN 1440?
Perhaps as much as the complicit Congress that has yet to act on the mandate that gave them control.
Plan??? ROTFLMAO!!!!
Which one? Surge? Illegal immigration? No Child Left Behind? Military Commissions? FISA? DoJ? need more?
Ain't NO evil!!!
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