Circular Quay - Page 2

Nostradamus · #21 07-08-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I was in awe of this horse today.
Reminded me of Afleet Alex. Instant push-button acceleration. What a move down the stretch. No other 2-yo can make that kind of move at this stage.
I just hope that handle this horse very carefully and keep him healthy.
Right now, he's your favorite for the BC juvenile at Churchill.

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

ArlJim78 · #22 07-08-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

At this time there is no way that anybody could be sure of that.
When Scat Daddy does it then we can believe it.
Not many horses have had initial performances as impressive as this guy has.

miraja2 · #23 07-08-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

You're sarcasm is unnecessary, Miraja. Do you think that those of us who disagreed with Oracle did so just out of spite? I'm sorry, but I remember those posts and there was absolutely nothing wrong with them. Oracle was raving about the potential greatness of a horse who had won one race -nothing wrong with that, of course (if you can't get excited about a talented baby, then the sport isn't for you), but some of us simply wanted to see more before calling him the second coming of.........(fill in the blank). If it's ok to go ga-ga about an inexperienced horse, then it's just as ok to be a bit skeptical.

1) What sarcasm? I was not being sarcastic in any portion of my post.
2) No I do not think that those of you who disagreed with Oracle did so out of spite. I never said you did.
3) People were criticizing him for being so excited about this horse. I simply stated that "maybe those people who criticized Oracle for the way he hyped this 2yo are satisfied now." I don't see what is so bad about that statement. Maybe they ARE satisfied. Maybe they are not. In my opinion they should be after the colt's performance today. That was my point.

dellinger63 · #24 07-08-2006, 09:14 PM

For me it was the triple move this horse made. Wanted to run up early on the backstretch and pulled, trapped behind horses and pulled, attempted to be guided on the outside and pulled once again. As SOON as he found room on the rail he was like a DADDY running by his kids as though he had been playing in the park. If Scat Daddy can beat him I'd love to see it, but I won't hold my breath.

miraja2 · #25 07-08-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

Of course it is always tough to tell with a 2yo so who knows, you may be right. I think one of the reasons that Circular Quay is more interesting to me than Scat Daddy is the pedigree. He is by Thunder Gulch and out of a G1 winning mare, while Scat Daddy is by an unproven (although potentially very good) sire, and out of an unraced mare.
We all know that pedigree isn't everything, but when a Thunder Gulch colt turns in amazing performances like these at 6f and below over the very track which will host the BC Juvenile....I get excited.

#26 07-08-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

You're sarcasm is unnecessary, Miraja. Do you think that those of us who disagreed with Oracle did so just out of spite? I'm sorry, but I remember those posts and there was absolutely nothing wrong with them. Oracle was raving about the potential greatness of a horse who had won one race -nothing wrong with that, of course (if you can't get excited about a talented baby, then the sport isn't for you), but some of us simply wanted to see more before calling him the second coming of.........(fill in the blank). If it's ok to go ga-ga about an inexperienced horse, then it's just as ok to be a bit skeptical.

yeah Betsy but they were all wrong werent they, so they get to eat crow a l'orange.

Nostradamus · #27 07-08-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Of course it is always tough to tell with a 2yo so who knows, you may be right. I think one of the reasons that Circular Quay is more interesting to me than Scat Daddy is the pedigree. He is by Thunder Gulch and out of a G1 winning mare, while Scat Daddy is by an unproven (although potentially very good) sire, and out of an unraced mare.
We all know that pedigree isn't everything, but when a Thunder Gulch colt turns in amazing performances like these at 6f and below over the very track which will host the BC Juvenile....I get excited.

It is too early to talk about these young horses as future greats. Barbaro didn't even hit the track until October.

#28 07-08-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

It is too early to talk about these young horses as future greats. Barbaro didn't even hit the track until October.

Yeah I know. But I'm talking about now greats, not future greats. The horse is great now, and thats what really matters. I'll leave it to morons who obsess about one or two horses all year and do nothing but talk about them to obsess on the future. I'm enjoying watching him run.

Nostradamus · #29 07-08-2006, 09:32 PM

The other knock on CQ is a soundness issue. I believe his mother brokedown in the Test at the Spa. Very well bred though.

#30 07-08-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

The other knock on CQ is a soundness issue. I believe his mother brokedown in the Test at the Spa. Very well bred though.

really? thats in August isnt it? Well barbaro didnt make it past may so I suppose you will knock his future offspring as having soundnedd issues as well. better spread the word on that. Nighty night!!!

Nostradamus · #31 07-08-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I know. But I'm talking about now greats, not future greats. The horse is great now, and thats what really matters. I'll leave it to morons who obsess about one or two horses all year and do nothing but talk about them to obsess on the future. I'm enjoying watching him run.

I agree that he has been super impressive but the people I spoke to at his barn at Belmont said Scat Daddy was the faster of the two. Probably should have expected that response though considering SD ran at Belmont. SD will be quite the sight when he gets a fast track. Distance could be his problem though and it looks like CQ shouldn't have a distance issue.

Nostradamus · #32 07-08-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

really? thats in August isnt it? Well barbaro didnt make it past may so I suppose you will knock his future offspring as having soundnedd issues as well. better spread the word on that. Nighty night!!!

The Test is in august but Circle of Life broke down in that race years ago. I believe that knock on Barbaro has already been brought up by quite a few looking to set his fee. Doesn't really matter for Dynaformers son though because the mares will line up just because he is Barbaro. He will be able to choose anything he wants. Just keep him away from their girl Nice Nelly. You want to talk about potential soundness issues for a foal from those two.

ArlJim78 · #33 07-08-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

The other knock on CQ is a soundness issue. I believe his mother brokedown in the Test at the Spa. Very well bred though.

The other knock, what is the first knock? Soundness? what is your agenda here? Your comments are ridiculous.

Nostradamus · #34 07-08-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

The other knock, what is the first knock? Soundness? what is your agenda here? Your comments are ridiculous.

No agenda, but I don't like Tabor and i am not a Pletcher fan. I just know they were worried about rushing the horse because of who is mare is. If you don't remember what happened to Circle of Life look it up. She was a beauty but was retired due to a fracture she sustained in the Test.

The first knock is simply that he isn't as fast as Scat Daddy, which he isn't.

zippyneedsawin · #35 07-08-2006, 09:49 PM

Sorry to say I didn't get to see his race, but sounds mighty impressive to me.. CQ certainly could be very special especially for a horse supposedly meant to do better going long having so much success early and in shorter races!

Nostradamus · #36 07-08-2006, 09:53 PM

You are right that Pletcher has the best 2yr old but his name is Soaring By, not CQ. Soaring By should win the Sanford and take on CQ is the Hopeful.

ateamstupid · #37 07-08-2006, 10:15 PM

Wow.

All I have to say.

ArlJim78 · #38 07-08-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wow.

All I have to say.

That all anyone can say. Nothing else applies.

Betsy · #39 07-08-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

1) What sarcasm? I was not being sarcastic in any portion of my post.
2) No I do not think that those of you who disagreed with Oracle did so out of spite. I never said you did.
3) People were criticizing him for being so excited about this horse. I simply stated that "maybe those people who criticized Oracle for the way he hyped this 2yo are satisfied now." I don't see what is so bad about that statement. Maybe they ARE satisfied. Maybe they are not. In my opinion they should be after the colt's performance today. That was my point.

I do apologize, Miraja. It's very easy to misread something over the internet, and I should not have taken your satisfied comment as anything more than what it is. Your points are very well taken indeed....

Oracle, it's a nice feeling to be "vindicated" isn't it? I loved Thunder Gulch and his sire was the first horse I ever followed, so I hope this fella does well. I'd like to give a shout out to Gulch, who was a real racehorse and had a world of class. I always thought he was underrated and his best son certainly was.

blackthroatedwind · #40 07-08-2006, 10:47 PM

I for one would like to see some of these explosive Pletcher horses actually stick around for a full campaign. That is something we have seen very little of especially as it compares to the number of explosive one time performances ( and sometimes two times ) we see from that barn. There have been literally dozens of impressive maiden winners that have either disappeared or fizzled out badly. Already this year we've seen Octave ( I believe she was declared a future Grade 1 winner on this very board ) finish a horrendous second in just her second start. I am surprised to see someone as knowledgable as Oracle declare that Circle Quay, after just his second start against a highly suspect field, is " great ". Perhaps I totally misunderstood ( wouldn't be the first time ).

" Great " seems to get thrown around just a little too easily in this game these days. Last year at this time we were reading about future TC winner Half Ours. He, shockingly, never ran again. Let's just hold our horses ( I couldn't resist ) before annointing champions in July....especially from a barn that seems to have trouble developing the vast talent it holds.