Circular Quay

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I was in awe of this horse today.
Reminded me of Afleet Alex. Instant push-button acceleration. What a move down the stretch. No other 2-yo can make that kind of move at this stage.
I just hope that handle this horse very carefully and keep him healthy.
Right now, he's your favorite for the BC juvenile at Churchill.

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

At this time there is no way that anybody could be sure of that.
When Scat Daddy does it then we can believe it.
Not many horses have had initial performances as impressive as this guy has.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

Of course it is always tough to tell with a 2yo so who knows, you may be right. I think one of the reasons that Circular Quay is more interesting to me than Scat Daddy is the pedigree. He is by Thunder Gulch and out of a G1 winning mare, while Scat Daddy is by an unproven (although potentially very good) sire, and out of an unraced mare.
We all know that pedigree isn't everything, but when a Thunder Gulch colt turns in amazing performances like these at 6f and below over the very track which will host the BC Juvenile....I get excited.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Of course it is always tough to tell with a 2yo so who knows, you may be right. I think one of the reasons that Circular Quay is more interesting to me than Scat Daddy is the pedigree. He is by Thunder Gulch and out of a G1 winning mare, while Scat Daddy is by an unproven (although potentially very good) sire, and out of an unraced mare.
We all know that pedigree isn't everything, but when a Thunder Gulch colt turns in amazing performances like these at 6f and below over the very track which will host the BC Juvenile....I get excited.

It is too early to talk about these young horses as future greats. Barbaro didn't even hit the track until October.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

It is too early to talk about these young horses as future greats. Barbaro didn't even hit the track until October.

Yeah I know. But I'm talking about now greats, not future greats. The horse is great now, and thats what really matters. I'll leave it to morons who obsess about one or two horses all year and do nothing but talk about them to obsess on the future. I'm enjoying watching him run.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I know. But I'm talking about now greats, not future greats. The horse is great now, and thats what really matters. I'll leave it to morons who obsess about one or two horses all year and do nothing but talk about them to obsess on the future. I'm enjoying watching him run.

I agree that he has been super impressive but the people I spoke to at his barn at Belmont said Scat Daddy was the faster of the two. Probably should have expected that response though considering SD ran at Belmont. SD will be quite the sight when he gets a fast track. Distance could be his problem though and it looks like CQ shouldn't have a distance issue.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I know. But I'm talking about now greats, not future greats. The horse is great now, and thats what really matters. I'll leave it to morons who obsess about one or two horses all year and do nothing but talk about them to obsess on the future. I'm enjoying watching him run.

I was referencing this post. No offense intended Oracle.

Why do I post my thoughts you ask. Well, because I think there is way too much misinformation wirtten about horses in this game these days. I think people are led astray by overzealousness. Personally, I prefer to see something special before getting excited about a horse. Plus, considering the veritable plethora of " awesome " one time performances eminating from the Pletcher barn ( especially with 2YOs ) I think it is wise to withhold judgement before declaring every next best thing that appears a superstar.

Let's hold the accolades for those that have actually earned them.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I was referencing this post. No offense intended Oracle.

Why do I post my thoughts you ask. Well, because I think there is way too much misinformation wirtten about horses in this game these days. I think people are led astray by overzealousness. Personally, I prefer to see something special before getting excited about a horse. Plus, considering the veritable plethora of " awesome " one time performances eminating from the Pletcher barn ( especially with 2YOs ) I think it is wise to withhold judgement before declaring every next best thing that appears a superstar.

Let's hold the accolades for those that have actually earned them.

I guess I understand Oracles distinction, now great vs. future great. People are excited because of his race today, not because he is considered one of the all-time greats.

Again, he was an impressive winner of the Bashford Manor. No one said superstar. So you were just ho hum about the way he dove to the rail and passed 5 horses in the last furlong like they were standing still?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Again, he was an impressive winner of the Bashford Manor. No one said superstar. So you were just ho hum about the way he dove to the rail and passed 5 horses in the last furlong like they were standing still?

No, I was not wildly impressed by a second time starter that ran .11 seconds faster than a 2YO filly firster ( one that you labelled " not spectacular but solid " ).

I also wasn't wildly impressed that he ran .3 seconds faster than a $15K claimer that ran an average of a 44.67 Beyer figure in his previous three outings.

I wasn't impressed that he ran .56 seconds faster than a 2YO filly who endured a tough trip to win HER start a couple races earlier.

By the way, he did not dive to the rail, as he spent the entire race in the two path ( thus never losing any valuable ground ).

I do not believe that in judging Circular Quay's performace against other 6F races run Saturday at Churchill points him out as anything special whatsoever. I believe in looking at the whole picture.

[Nostradamus]

The other knock on CQ is a soundness issue. I believe his mother brokedown in the Test at the Spa. Very well bred though.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

The other knock on CQ is a soundness issue. I believe his mother brokedown in the Test at the Spa. Very well bred though.

really? thats in August isnt it? Well barbaro didnt make it past may so I suppose you will knock his future offspring as having soundnedd issues as well. better spread the word on that. Nighty night!!!

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by oracle80

really? thats in August isnt it? Well barbaro didnt make it past may so I suppose you will knock his future offspring as having soundnedd issues as well. better spread the word on that. Nighty night!!!

The Test is in august but Circle of Life broke down in that race years ago. I believe that knock on Barbaro has already been brought up by quite a few looking to set his fee. Doesn't really matter for Dynaformers son though because the mares will line up just because he is Barbaro. He will be able to choose anything he wants. Just keep him away from their girl Nice Nelly. You want to talk about potential soundness issues for a foal from those two.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

The other knock on CQ is a soundness issue. I believe his mother brokedown in the Test at the Spa. Very well bred though.

The other knock, what is the first knock? Soundness? what is your agenda here? Your comments are ridiculous.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

The other knock, what is the first knock? Soundness? what is your agenda here? Your comments are ridiculous.

No agenda, but I don't like Tabor and i am not a Pletcher fan. I just know they were worried about rushing the horse because of who is mare is. If you don't remember what happened to Circle of Life look it up. She was a beauty but was retired due to a fracture she sustained in the Test.

The first knock is simply that he isn't as fast as Scat Daddy, which he isn't.

[zippyneedsawin]

Sorry to say I didn't get to see his race, but sounds mighty impressive to me.. CQ certainly could be very special especially for a horse supposedly meant to do better going long having so much success early and in shorter races!